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Why is Sabina Nessa murder not all over the media?

462 replies

postingfortraffichere · 22/09/2021 23:45

Such a tragic killing and sad, truly awful to hear about this murder.

Though I can't understand why, it doesn't get the same media/public attention as Sarah Everard who died in similarly tragic circumstances not long ago.

Both are equally tragic, two young women attacked in similar circumstances - the only difference I can see in these cases is the colour of their skin. Sarah's murder was everywhere - before we knew it was a police officer responsible.

Women had lined the streets in protest to make the country a safer place for women.

I can't help but notice where are these women protesting for Sabina? Or for the Killmarsh murders, or other women of colour?

The media treats women of colour - even to this day - very differently to white women.

It feels like the media are sending a clear message that black lives STILL 'don't matter' quite as much as their white counterparts.

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theworldsbiggestcrocodile · 23/09/2021 09:05

There is a vigil for her on Saturday. But the simple truth re the lack of coverage and outcry lies in her ethnicity. Women if colour statically get far less Column inches. We've still a long way to go.

MsHedgehog · 23/09/2021 09:07

@ladybrunton I’m in London. In fact, I’m in Greenwich. Just 10 minutes from the park. It’s not been headline news and it’s not been given the attention it needed locally. Even my community WhatsApp group, which as an opinion on anything and everything in and surrounding Greenwich, has been silent about it, that’s how unknown it’s been.

Annoyedanddissapointed · 23/09/2021 09:08

@UsedUpUsername

There is white and there is not white enough just an fyi

What is this even supposed to mean?

There are hierarchies in this. Some interesting reasearch were done on where boundary of whitness lies. I could be a snowhite (kind of am🙄) but with my name and ee accent it doesn't matter as much. That's why i said "missing local white woman syndrome".

This is not to take away from minorities about their treatment obviously. Just saying not everyone white gets the same treatment as local white person.

nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 09:10

@AmyThomp567

To the people saying Sabina was Black are wrong. She’s not black. She’s Bangladeshi!!
Thank you, as someone from a similar back ground, to Sabina, I wondered how long it would take for someone to act point this out.

Several posters have posted that she us black, completely earning who she actually is.

Whilst saying they are the ones that understand race issues than anyone who slightly disagrees with me.

People can't be bothered getting her name or ethnicity right. But complaining about how much news she is getting.

Macncheeseballs · 23/09/2021 09:11

I agree it does seem wrong but then I also never understood why the middle aged police woman killed walking her dogs in Kent at roughly the same time as Sarah Everard didn't get the same outcry. Is it only young white middle class women who get that response

adrianmolesmole · 23/09/2021 09:11

@Charley50 and others who've said similar It is very unfair to say that dead women are being pitted against each other in this thread. This is wilful ignorance. By highlighting the disparity of media attention on the different women is not "pitting women against each other".

Some women DO get more attention than others (and yes, I know, there are plenty of white women who don't "fit the part" of whatever the media is looking for too, we all know this). Why can't this disparity be mentioned though? It needs to be said. It's obvious WOC are not allowed to highlight WHAT WE KNOW IS TRUE, because apparently that's unfair to white people. Hmm

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 23/09/2021 09:14

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ManifestDestinee · 23/09/2021 09:16

It IS all over the media Hmm

SinisterBumFacedCat · 23/09/2021 09:16

@Macncheeseballs

I agree it does seem wrong but then I also never understood why the middle aged police woman killed walking her dogs in Kent at roughly the same time as Sarah Everard didn't get the same outcry. Is it only young white middle class women who get that response
Yes, older women don’t get much coverage. There is a large number of older women who are murdered by their own sons, but there is very little information on this or visible support for women in these toxic family relationships.
Djifunrsn · 23/09/2021 09:17

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Top and biggest article when I go to DM website

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 23/09/2021 09:17

@MNHQ

Can you please leave a note that you have edited the title? Otherwise many posts won't make sense.

ladybrunton · 23/09/2021 09:18

Mshedgehog that is a shame. I'm not far away either (next borough), and in my area it's headline news and being talked about widely.

Tal45 · 23/09/2021 09:19

I think it's weird that there is so much about an American girl missing/murdered when it happens to people all the time here and there's hardly a word. I think that (ridiculously) it's down to the influence of social media, Gabby Petito and her boyfriend were all over SM making beautiful videos about their van life and had (I imagine) lots of followers, add to that the video of them being pulled over by the police and their popularity on SM and amount of 'interesting' information available on them has meant their story has been picked up by a lot of people including the media .

Personally I think it's awful that some murders get more coverage that others - would black SM stars get the same treatment? I've no idea. I find though that the news has become less and less about reporting what's going on and more and more about giving people what the media thinks they want, even unfortunately in the case of the BBC.

gingerbiscuiteer · 23/09/2021 09:21

now top story on DM now, if that makes you happy. Terrible case, lots of questions to be answered about women's safety in London parks and horrible predatory men, much bigger questions that this. The previous case was a case about a missing person, then the media was dripfed info on bus CCTV and car make, then days later a policeman being taken into custody, the media love stuff that goes on for days.

Theoldprospector · 23/09/2021 09:22

I hope now that people do light candles on the night of the vigil, and we start doing this for murdered women in the future, so that we do actually remember them, the life they will never live and think about what their families are going through.

SueSaid · 23/09/2021 09:24

'As others point out, also poor, unattractive. Old people. I agree it's not just race based but in this particular case as they are both young and pretty I haven't highlighted those points.'

You agree it isn't 'just race based' yet have started a thread saying it is. Jesus.

Just Google woman murdered in 2021 and see how many you've heard of.

Willyoujustbequiet · 23/09/2021 09:26

It's all over / headline news on Sky this morning but why let the truth get in the way of a goady post. Hmm

nyktipolos · 23/09/2021 09:27

As others point out, also poor, unattractive. Old people. I agree it's not just race based but in this particular case as they are both young and pretty I haven't highlighted those points.

What other difference between the 2 women and cases are there?

Do you think either case would have drawn attention outside London? Until it was announced Sarah's murderer was a police man, hers wouldn't have got much either.

Are you as outraged that women murdered outside London and South East don't get much coverage?

Or is just because you could use Sabinas race to make a point? Even though you couldn't get her name or ethnicity correct?

Generallystruggling · 23/09/2021 09:29

Sarah went missing for a few days before she was found and I think the fact she was murdered by a serving police officer shocked the nation.

I have read about Sabina quite a lot on both the BBC and guardian news apps this week so don’t think it’s being underreported at all.

bluewanda · 23/09/2021 09:30

I’m so upset and angry, that poor young woman Sad How long till they catch the monster who did this?!! I hope and pray they are caught and behind bars soon.

doctordoverylittle · 23/09/2021 09:33

why do they keep hammering home "stranger"? how do they know it was a stranger? could be a colleague, an ex, a friend, someone that lived in her building. i find that repeated word out of place and think its such a strange "definite" to put on it so soon if they know nothing, like they are claiming.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 23/09/2021 09:36

I live not too far away, in a quiet and relatively crime-free area of SE London.

However, there have been two notable murders here in recent years. The first was a man stabbed to death by a stranger in the street. The second was a woman stabbed to death in her own home by her ex husband.

On our local forum, the first murder attracted a thread of many pages long full of shock and outrage and expressions of condolences to the man's family.

The second murder didn't get a mention. Someone started a thread about it and I was the only other person to comment, despite over 700 views.

There then followed a separate discussion on another thread about the reasons for this silence from the community. It was obvious that the group think (subconscious or otherwise) was that it was a domestic and therefore not as concerning. I read some very very stupid comments on that thread such as "but the silence speaks volumes, people are paying their respects in their own way" and "we have no knowledge of the motivation or circumstances" - eh? woman stabbed to death at home! What motivation would exonerate that? even "people die in the neighbourhood every day we can't have a thread about them all". FFS.

UsedUpUsername · 23/09/2021 09:39

There are hierarchies in this. Some interesting reasearch were done on where boundary of whitness lies. I could be a snowhite (kind of am🙄) but with my name and ee accent it doesn't matter as much. That's why i said "missing local white woman syndrome

See, I think so few ‘white’ women even fit this supposed ‘syndrome’ that it’s not even a useful designation. Only young, pretty, middle-class professional women with no ‘issues’ like drug use or alcoholism. And that’s only if their families fight for coverage.

It’s just not a useful label since the majority of supposedly privileged white women could never hope to get that kind of coverage either.

UsedUpUsername · 23/09/2021 09:41

However, there have been two notable murders here in recent years. The first was a man stabbed to death by a stranger in the street. The second was a woman stabbed to death in her own home by her ex husband

The first one attracts more attention because it could literally happen to anyone. The second does not, because we tend to blame women for partnering with violent men. It’s really unfair, yes.

But I suppose it psychologically makes people feel safe if they can blame the victim in some way.

georgarina · 23/09/2021 09:43

I saw this in the news.

Sarah's case was different because she was missing first and then it turned out it was a police officer that killed her - tying in with a bigger issue.