Can I wear this if I'm a SAHM ?

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There's a few tees I like, not so keen on the girl slogan ones as I'm a women, but I like this one and the WOMAN one .. but would I be a bit of a contradiction? As it goes I'm not married, but I'm technically engaged 😬

thespark.company/collections/feminist-t-shirts/products/on-wednesdays-we-smash-the-patriarchy-fitted-v-neck-t-shirt

It's the kind of thing I might wear to an event or protest.

Wear what you want, honestly

@FloconDeNeige
You're the type of poster that drives people like me away from the Feminism boards.

How can the decision to stay with my children for three years 'undermine the equality of opportunity for women in the workplace'?
You're undermining the choice for women to stay at home or not. No women should feel forced to return to the workplace purely in order to support women in her male partner's workplace...

And as a gender non-conforming woman I don't think being a stay at home mum is perpetuating sex based stereotypes.

www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-stay-at-home-moms-hurt-gender-equality-emma-johnson

Interesting article.

@FloconDeNeige

www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-stay-at-home-moms-hurt-gender-equality-emma-johnson

Interesting article.

Can't believe an article shaming a whole cohort of mums lists "shaming of" in their argument. The woman who wrote this is twisted... The bit that says SAHM are leaving working women in the trenches? What a load of crap. I didn't find that article interesting, I found it infuriating. Fucking sick of women telling women how to be women.

Flocon - that article is so mind-numbingly basic. It reads like something an eager A-level student would put out who has just stumbled across the concept of feminism in their textbook. Yawn.

Just the first item is bollocks alone! 'Women should work so their kids don't think of childcare and cleaning as women's work.'
Woe betide any women who work in child care or cleaning! Teachers? Are they supporting the patriarchy? Female nurses?!

Perhaps all men and women have a civic duty to only work in gender non conforming roles? Men? Must all be ballet dancers!
Women? Bin men!

Otherwise you're all supporting the patriarchy!

Fgs - anyone could go on the internet to drag out a bollox article to support their rigid agenda.

The questions I’m more interested in are to Flocon actually -

1. Why do you feel the need to come on each and every thread about SAHMs?

2. Why do you even care?

[quote Doghairismyglitter]@AICM it’s tongue in cheek. But in light of how many women are actually murdered by men and constantly sexually assaulted and harassed, if it puts even one male off making inappropriate comments to a female then it’s done something positive[/quote]
I note you don't answer the question.

It's naff.

The whole point of feminism (I feel) is to support women to make their own life choices (whether that’s a SAHM, working Mother or child free) and other women to support those choices.

@brokenbiscuitsx

The whole point of feminism (I feel) is to support women to make their own life choices (whether that’s a SAHM, working Mother or child free) and other women to support those choices.

The whole point of feminism is equal rights for women to men. It’s equality in pay, politics and social rights. You cannot redefine it.

Women supporting women is female empowerment. You are mixing the two up,

It’s a whole different discussion if a woman is empowered when she lives off a mans wages, is not economically independent, would struggle to get meaningful employment , uses her time only for domestic chores/child care so the man can work unhindered and may even have pension issues, or can’t leave a relationship that becomes abusive or has infidelity as she is powerless. That’s a whole other thread.

Please dont, OP. It is a horrible garment.

I know loads of women who had kids solely so they could quit work. It's all about the SAH, not the M.

“The whole point of feminism is equal rights for women to men. It’s equality in pay, politics and social rights. You cannot redefine it.”

Times change and feminism needs to adapt. Otherwise it’s a blunt instrument. Maybe once it was all about beating men in their own workplaces; proving you could work as long hours as them etc. But times are changing. Women know they have different choices now than they did in the 60s or the 80s. They don’t want to compete with men on men’s terms. This is no longer enough. Why the hell should they when they can define their own terms? Having children and instinctively wanting to be around for them should not be sidelined as some kind of inconvenience or ‘lesser.’ Let women be the judge of what works for them and stop trying to stuff everyone into some outdated capitalist box.

In the future women (and men) will increasingly work from home. The concept of 9-5 is becoming outdated. People will demand flexibility. There will be no such thing as ‘a job for life’ and it will be common for people to take career breaks for children, retrain and change direction completely in many cases. Far more people will be self-employed. You won’t need to be locked into a given career path, terrified to take more than 6 moths off because that’s professional suicide. Pandering to that mentality is not feminism for the future. Feminism for the future is women defining their own reality, whatever that may be, and men confirming to that. If equality just means suppressing differences, it will never be achieved. And if it is, it’s just replacing one form of oppression with another.

They don’t want to compete with men on men’s terms. This is no longer enough. Why the hell should they when they can define their own terms

Your argument is confused, women don’t need to compete with men on their own terms, but you’d be hard pressed to argue that being a stay at home mum or house wife and living off your husbands wages is in any way shape or form competing with men at all.

@Bluntness100

They don’t want to compete with men on men’s terms. This is no longer enough. Why the hell should they when they can define their own terms

Your argument is confused, women don’t need to compete with men on their own terms, but you’d be hard pressed to argue that being a stay at home mum or house wife and living off your husbands wages is in any way shape or form competing with men at all.

What if man hates very dull boring factory job Woman loves being a sahm and childcare and cooking

Seems to me like woman winning
Man losing

You are seeing the competing very narrow minded
Simply earning money versus not

@moch11

Why do you feel the need to trail me around the site?

It’s an important issue for women’s rights and something I feel strongly about as I’ve seen women shafted after getting themselves into these positions. I also live in a country that is finally starting to realise that the trad set-up of women at home, economically inactive & dependent upon men, isn’t the best one for most stakeholders.

I also don’t understand the frothing over feminism. If you, as an adult woman, don’t want to work and want a man to support you and your offspring, then own that. Don’t expect to be able to to claim you’re ’smashing the patriarchy’ by doing that though and then whine when it’s pointed out that you’re not. You can’t have it both ways.

@Saladovercrispsanyday..but it’s not about winning or loosing or who is happier.

Feminism is about gaining female equality in economic, social and political arenas.

Female empowerment is about supporting women in the choices they make.

They are both valuable , both linked, but both different. That’s the point. The op wishes to wear a tacky slogan mean girls t shirt that says she smashes the patriarchy on a wed. In reality no one gives a shit what she wears. And I’m sure everyone supports her life style choice decisions.

The discussion was is she smashing the patriarchy by being a stay at home mum snd having ger husband or the taxpayer pay for her choices.. Not whether her decision to be one is valid. It is, it’s her choice and it’s not about if she’s happier than her husband.

But Is it one that positions her as the woman who is out there smashing the patriarchy? As a stand alone decision, without wider it’s hard to see how she’s doing that.

So now feminism is inextricably linked with whether or not you are a tax payer?

@Saladovercrispsanyday

So now feminism is inextricably linked with whether or not you are a tax payer?

It’s not, who said it was?

It was intrinsically linked to whether you are reliant on a man to work to pay for you.

You mentioned the tax payer

You think the op isn’t “smashing the patriarchy” (heave) because she isn’t working.

You pay tax if you work.

I work
I don’t see the op as less of a feminist than me because of that one fact of our current existence

And it’s adding nothing to the debate and indeed actually “smash the patriarch” (heave) to argue differently

Raising children is a job. It's not as valid as it should be but that's a sign of the patriarchy.

I have this t shirt in pink. I use it for slobbing as it's not a very flattering fit. If I was thinner I could tie the bottom in a knot and that would look cute.