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To ask cleaner if they've been vaccinated?

204 replies

daisiesandpeonies · 22/09/2021 12:44

I am keen to have a cleaner again, my pre-pandemic cleaner is refusing to have the covid vaccine (I know this because we are friends on Facebook and she's constantly posting conspiracy theories.) I felt it would be more respectful to just discreetly get a new cleaner than tell her I'll only ask her back if she gets vaccinated. However how do I tell an agency that I'd only like a vaccinated cleaner? Are they even allowed to ask, so should I?

OP posts:
Sugarplumfairy65 · 22/09/2021 17:03

No one unvaccinated comes in my home, whoever they are

TheKeatingFive · 22/09/2021 17:06

No one is required to give you that info OP.

TheKeatingFive · 22/09/2021 17:06

No one unvaccinated comes in my home, whoever they are

Are you checking certs?

ufucoffee · 22/09/2021 17:09

Do you stay in all the time OP? Unless you do you're putting your relative at risk because you might catch it. Just like if you had a cleaner.

washingmachines4 · 22/09/2021 17:11

@emuloc – Assumptions based on those I know who haven’t and who all flaunted the rules from early on and have put their families at risk – some with dire consequences and have not revised their views.
@Lavender24 – I am not saying the unvaccinated don’t wash, or that they smell or anything as juvenile. Just that my experience has been they have been less cautious and vigilant than the vaccinated.
@XenoBitch – an unvaccinated person when they catch the virus has a higher viral load and is more likely to transmit it to more people than a vaccinated person. I spoke very candidly, I have no health conditions and am fairly young – I could have easily felt I didn’t need to get vaxxed, but my loved ones aren’t as healthy or young, I haven’t mixed much, have been vaccinated, am really cautious eg hand gel and thorough hand washes and I take lateral flows multiple times a week/1 hour before seeing anyone vulnerable because it is the right thing to do.
@itsgrand – see what I said to @emuloc . I can bring into my home whoever I like – no rules (I should think you like a no rules kind of society - feel oppressed by the mask wearing did we?, that our freedom was being curtailed did we? Wink). If I was running a cleaning agency and didn’t want to employ someone because of their vaccination status I may find myself having bigger issues, but as the customer, I can refuse entry to whomever I like.
@PurpleDaisies – good point well made. Yes – this is true in some cases, I have seen this too but proportionately less in the vaccinated I have found. (I should probably go off to find some statistics now rather than using my own circle to determine my view)

Patapouf · 22/09/2021 17:14

@DartmoorChef

What difference does it make to you if anyone else is or isn't vaccinated. The vaccine only protects the vaccinated person from possibly developing more serious symptoms... it doesn't protect you whatsoever.
But this isn't true is it? A vaccinated person is less likely to get covid and less likely to spread it. The vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection so I'd feel safer if the people I'm indoors with had done everything to minimise the risk of them giving it to me.

I wouldn't want anybody in my home regularly who had decided to refuse the vaccine based on conspiracy theories OP.

Patapouf · 22/09/2021 17:15

@Brigittebidet

I am so heartened by these responses. Sorry for you OP as they are harsh, but they are quite correct. Are you going to ask about your cleaner’s tetanus, MMR etc status as well?
How is mmr relevant though? Are we in the midst of a pandemic that relates to one of the components of the MMR vaccine? Are tens of thousands of people getting rubella on the daily?
LookAtMoiPloise · 22/09/2021 17:16

@Sugarplumfairy65

No one unvaccinated comes in my home, whoever they are
Good grief ...
GetMeOut22 · 22/09/2021 17:17

YANBU. You can ask and if they don't want to answer it and provide proof, they can jog on. Your choice who you have in your home. Their choice not to get vaccinated.

TheGrumpyGoat · 22/09/2021 17:22

But this isn't true is it? A vaccinated person is less likely to get covid and less likely to spread it. The vaccine doesn't offer 100% protection so I'd feel safer if the people I'm indoors with had done everything to minimise the risk of them giving it to me

Just because they’ve been vaccinated, doesn’t mean they are doing everything they can to minimise risk to you though does it? They could be spending every night in packed nightclubs etc. Do you ask them about their behaviour as well as their vaccination status?

IamtheDevilsAvocado · 22/09/2021 17:29

@DecentPleasant

Not unreasonable. Explain to agency you’d like a vaccinated cleaner. All of you people being breezy about it - where would we be if there was no vaccine. I wish more weight was put on being vaccinated. Can’t bear idiots who think it’s going to harm them. Pathetic. Enjoy having a sensible cleaner who wants to get out of the mess we are in.
It has to be personal choice...

But I'm bloody annoyed at the anti vaccs folk who are largely blocking ICU/HCU beds so oncology lists are cancelled

emuloc · 22/09/2021 17:40

Here we goHmm.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 22/09/2021 21:46

@TheKeatingFive

No one unvaccinated comes in my home, whoever they are

Are you checking certs?

Yes
Sugarplumfairy65 · 22/09/2021 21:56

I have blood cancer. Having blood cancer means you are in the highest risk group and we've already lost quite a few members of our online support group to Covid. I've had both vaccinations but acquired no antibodies which means if I caught Covid, my chances of survival would be slim.
Why the Fuck would I let anyone step inside my home and into my space who hasn't been vaccinated?
My cleaner comes once per week. She uses her own key to get in, wears ppe and I stay in my bedroom while she cleans the rest of my house. If I could clean it myself I would, but I can't.
She understands and is happy to continue this way for the foreseeable future.

Saoirse82 · 22/09/2021 22:12

@DartmoorChef

What difference does it make to you if anyone else is or isn't vaccinated. The vaccine only protects the vaccinated person from possibly developing more serious symptoms... it doesn't protect you whatsoever.
Almost a year on and some people still spreading misinformation. The vaccine also REDUCES your risk of catching covid, how hard is that to take in? Confused OP, YABU. I'm very much pro vaccine but this is a step to far.
Saoirse82 · 22/09/2021 22:13

*too

SunscreenCentral · 22/09/2021 22:24

I've read half the replies. OP, I do Not think you're being unreasonable at all. This is your home, and for all anyone knows, you may have an immuno-compromised child/parent/friend around and our homes are our sanctuary either way.
I'd approach the agency and discuss it with them. I doubt you give two hoots if "Joanne" or whoever has decided to not get vaccinated, that's her own look-out at this stage. Not unreasonable to want to protect your home and family.

SunscreenCentral · 22/09/2021 22:26

Or, basically what @Sugarplumfairy65 said above

And Flowers to you, I hope you're doing ok SPF

DecadentlyDecisive · 22/09/2021 22:49

@Shitapillar

If you're so worried, you could always just clean your own shit up.
Perfect Answer...
Original poster
daisiesandpeonies · 22/09/2021 22:59

Just had time to scan through the new responses. It’s interesting how many people are answering a different question to what I posted. I wrote was is it unreasonable to ask if a cleaner has had the vaccine. Not is it unreasonable to not want an unvaccinated cleaner - it definitely isn’t for someone with a vulnerable family member. I’m going keep an eye out for cleaners advertising that they’re fully vaccinated and happy to offer proof; the thread supported my gut feeling that you shouldn’t ask especially as agencies have no right to ask either.

OP posts:
XenoBitch · 23/09/2021 00:04

@daisiesandpeonies

Just had time to scan through the new responses. It’s interesting how many people are answering a different question to what I posted. I wrote was is it unreasonable to ask if a cleaner has had the vaccine. Not is it unreasonable to not want an unvaccinated cleaner - it definitely isn’t for someone with a vulnerable family member. I’m going keep an eye out for cleaners advertising that they’re fully vaccinated and happy to offer proof; the thread supported my gut feeling that you shouldn’t ask especially as agencies have no right to ask either.
Will you be home when the cleaner is there? Will they be right up next to you at any point?

My mum has a cleaning company and one of her contracts has asked about the vaccination status of their cleaner. Their cleaner cleans the offices hours after everyone is gone (so is alone) twice a week. It makes no sense whatsoever to need to now the vacc status of this person.

XenoBitch · 23/09/2021 00:57

@washingmachines4

You said that unvaccinated people do not care about others. I would be interested to see the studies and official statistics on this.. because otherwise, I think you are talking out your chocolate starfish.

I am unvaccinated, and I care a lot about others. More so than I do myself.

cloudacious · 23/09/2021 01:04

My mum has a cleaning company and one of her contracts has asked about the vaccination status of their cleaner. Their cleaner cleans the offices hours after everyone is gone (so is alone) twice a week. It makes no sense whatsoever to need to now the vacc status of this person.

That shows a worrying lack of understanding.

XenoBitch · 23/09/2021 01:08

@cloudacious

My mum has a cleaning company and one of her contracts has asked about the vaccination status of their cleaner. Their cleaner cleans the offices hours after everyone is gone (so is alone) twice a week. It makes no sense whatsoever to need to now the vacc status of this person.

That shows a worrying lack of understanding.

It is crazy. The cleaner did have the vaccine and had a load of time off for side effects. My mum did just offer to cancel their contract in the end, and redeploy her cleaner elsewhere.
itsgrand · 23/09/2021 07:12

[quote washingmachines4]@emuloc – Assumptions based on those I know who haven’t and who all flaunted the rules from early on and have put their families at risk – some with dire consequences and have not revised their views.
@Lavender24 – I am not saying the unvaccinated don’t wash, or that they smell or anything as juvenile. Just that my experience has been they have been less cautious and vigilant than the vaccinated.
@XenoBitch – an unvaccinated person when they catch the virus has a higher viral load and is more likely to transmit it to more people than a vaccinated person. I spoke very candidly, I have no health conditions and am fairly young – I could have easily felt I didn’t need to get vaxxed, but my loved ones aren’t as healthy or young, I haven’t mixed much, have been vaccinated, am really cautious eg hand gel and thorough hand washes and I take lateral flows multiple times a week/1 hour before seeing anyone vulnerable because it is the right thing to do.
@itsgrand – see what I said to @emuloc . I can bring into my home whoever I like – no rules (I should think you like a no rules kind of society - feel oppressed by the mask wearing did we?, that our freedom was being curtailed did we? Wink). If I was running a cleaning agency and didn’t want to employ someone because of their vaccination status I may find myself having bigger issues, but as the customer, I can refuse entry to whomever I like.
@PurpleDaisies – good point well made. Yes – this is true in some cases, I have seen this too but proportionately less in the vaccinated I have found. (I should probably go off to find some statistics now rather than using my own circle to determine my view)[/quote]
no you are wrong in your assumptions about me. Totally wrong. You should really really stop making assumptions, it's not a good look for you on this thread at all.
I certainly do not want a no rules society, you have made that up based on nothing
I also wore a mask when required at that point in time so you have made that up too.
So on the basis that on this thread you have continued to make assumptions that have been proved wrong, we can't believe a word you type Smile