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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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Bialystockandbloom · 21/09/2021 13:49

@CleopatrasBeautifulNose

The class held a VOTE that she should be entirely excluded and the teacher says her attitude is bad!!!!!!! Holy fucking moly, 'scuse my language but she'd have been out there so fast you wouldn't even have seen a blur if I was in your shoes. How on earth is she meant to come back from this. I am appalled that her own whole self is being entirely rejected by her classmates and not one single shit is being given by the teacher! She has no chance. In the UK school my kids are at this absolutely could not happen. The head and teachers put emotional wellbeing VERY high on their priorities because they know you cannot learn if you are miserable. All children are encouraged to be themselves and find their niche, all children are encouraged to recognise each others good qualities and no child inflicting distress on another would be tolerated for a heartbeat. This is what your daughter and every child ever deserves. She is currently withstanding the deeply personal onslaught of authority endorsed ostracising and bullying which is cruel in the extreme. I don't know how she gets out of bed in the morning.

OP move her, anywhere it doesn't matter. Meanwhile help her find ways of spending as much time as possible with anyone who genuinely likes her and enjoys her company, grandparents, freinds from different circle it doesn't matter - anything to counter the relentless message that she is less than nothing.

Absolutely this!!!!
SueSaid · 21/09/2021 13:49

@EgSk

This breaks my heart . No kid should be treated like this . Like the others have said , I would suggest moving school. This is a bit extreme and maybe not possible but could you move countries or regions if you feel like she would fit in elsewhere?
It's awful isn't it. The long term damage being inflicted on the op's DD and the teachers are doing nothing.

I can't believe anyone would need to ask tbh. Home schooling if nothing else would surely be better than this.

Move, change schools whatever it takes.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 21/09/2021 13:49

Move her. Ive been that kid. I should have been moved.

Bialystockandbloom · 21/09/2021 13:50

Your poor poor dd, this is horrifying to read. Please get her out there.

So sorry to read pp who went through this too :(

SueSaid · 21/09/2021 13:50

'Meanwhile help her find ways of spending as much time as possible with anyone who genuinely likes her and enjoys her company, grandparents, freinds from different circle it doesn't matter - anything to counter the relentless message that she is less than nothing.'

This.

georgarina · 21/09/2021 13:51

When I was at school in the US we would have both group assemblies and trips to the head teacher's office if any bullying went on. A group of girls was being mean to me, my mum spoke to the head, and he spoke to the group making absolutely clear no bullying was to be tolerated - the girls were apparently crying by the end of the meeting, and I wasn't bothered by them again.

But then I went to a school in the UK and they did absolutely nothing - and there were boys who were outright physically violent including to the girls, and gave me such a bad complex about how I looked that I developed an eating disorder. It was horrible but the attitude was 'get over it'/'not our problem.'

I'd push as hard as possible for a resolution. The girls taking a 'vote' is a total disgrace and they should be seriously punished. See what rights you have if they refuse to act - can they be held accountable? If you don't get anywhere I would move her.

Also, would she like to continue at the school if everything was fine? Or is she just not liking it overall? That's something to consider.

ADreadedSunnyDay · 21/09/2021 13:52

Hi OP - I think you need to look at options and discuss with your DD what might work best for her. Don't automatically rule out anything as it sounds like the current school is toxic and is not inclusive in the slightest. Your daughter should not have to change to fit in.

I wondered if you were in Spain simply because some of the things you have stated resonate with me.

Underamour · 21/09/2021 13:53
  1. she’s been bullied for years
  2. she’s nice, kind, friendly and resilient
  3. She’s asked you to help her change schools
  4. She has passed with low grades.

This might be the “best” school but it is definitely NOT the best school for her, she is unhappy, bullied and failing. If my child told me all this and asked to move I would get them out of that school immediately. I have sent my child to a state without great grades and they have flourished and become outstanding in some ways. Don’t let her continue to be bullied. Uf they are allowing her to be ostracised then it’s not that good a school.

DFOD · 21/09/2021 13:55

[quote habibibibi]Another one who immediately thought ADHD.
Listen to this talk and see if it rings any bells with you

[/quote] She may or may not have a level of neurodiversity - that’s a separate issue that may or may not need investigation.

It doesn’t explain or excuse the systematic root and branch bullying that’s going on here - and should not be the focus as it is a potential distraction from the cause of the bullying and slips easy into victim blaming.

MarmaladeMakers · 21/09/2021 13:55

@Bluntness100 your reply is appalling, you should be ashamed of yourself

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/09/2021 13:57

Wake the heck up. Your dd should not be going back again. Ever. She should already have been pulled out. I don’t even understand why you’re trying to get things change. Your dad’s face doesn’t fit. It sounds like a fee paying school. So you’re literally paying for your dd to be abused. Let that sink in.

Yes, your dd probably needs therapy but the urgent thing is to get her home. The best school for her right now is the school with the best pastoral care. Then get her assessed... Someone mentioned reading up on retaining primitive reflexes. I would do this.

Scautish · 21/09/2021 13:58

@Bluntness100

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extent

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

Jesus Christ - one of the absolute worst pieces of advice I've ever seen on MN.

I was this kid. I gave myself ongoing MH problems by trying to fit in but just not understanding why i.e. by trying to do what this poster suggests.

@Bluntness100 you clearly have zero empathy, compassion or understanding of anyone who doesn't fit your normal. Sadly there are many, many out there like you and you make life for people like me, particularly as children, absolutely miserable and very stressful.

Eralos · 21/09/2021 14:00

Move school or back home if needs be. No way would I be putting my child through this.

Teaandtoastedbiscuits · 21/09/2021 14:01

@sunnydaysarenotenough

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next. Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school. She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone. Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller). The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch. Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID. She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade. Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school. Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region. So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class. She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities. If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.
Please take her away from there and please have her back. X
ncmcr · 21/09/2021 14:01

There's no way @Bluntness100 actually wrote that. Wtf.

Op, move her to the other school. There's nothing worse than growing up unhappy.

geojellyfish · 21/09/2021 14:01

Cancel the cheque!

Clearly the bullying is the big problem here and I join the chorus of posters advising you to move her. The school sounds really poor on inclusion and wellbeing, which makes their academic reputation, frankly, irrelevant.

However, once she has started at a new school, I would certainly look into (or at least be aware of) the way ADHD impacts girls. There are a couple of things you mention that have pricked the ears of those among us with personal experience of it.

grapewine · 21/09/2021 14:04

[quote 00100001]@Bluntness100 must be being sarcastic[/quote]
I hope so, too.

MarmaladeMakers · 21/09/2021 14:08

There's @Bluntness & there's @Bluntness100
Just sayin....

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/09/2021 14:08

You must move her. In one school, I was your DD. No idea why - I went to several schools in 3 different countries, and had no issues in any of the others. I was mildly geeky but not to the point of standing out, and was quite popular at my other schools.

One semester as 'that child' really affected my self-esteem for years. Thank God my parents - who were generally quite detached - did make the effort to move me. I was heading to a very dark place. You must move her, whatever the cost.

Cuddlyrottweiler · 21/09/2021 14:10

Its clearly not a great school. Move her. Go visit the other schools, tell them the problems she's having, see who responds best.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2021 14:10

Bluntness' post is useful in that it's good to see laid out clearly the reasons that so many women and girls spend so much of their lives unhappy.

HollowTalk · 21/09/2021 14:11

The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.

This is absolutely outrageous. What does the school say about this?

jebthesheep · 21/09/2021 14:11

Hi -
I’m so sorry for you and your daughter- it’s wrong but also quite common - this class group need someone to carry the burden of unpopularity and whatever little vulnerability or bit of bad luck shown on the wrong day has given her the job - it’s a relief to the others that it’s not them. Without a high level of skill and complete commitment from the school leadership and staff it’s not going to change.
I know that leaving a ‘Good School’ is hard - I’m assuming you mean it has an excellent record of getting children high grades. I get that this track record makes you feel your child has found an opportunity to do well and that leaving, feels like giving up and letting her down ( there’s always another meeting, another approach to try, the next year up with new teachers and added maturity to hope for ) You are not daft, you just have kept hope alive for this situation to improve.

It’s only a good school if your child is able to thrive in it. No one can learn while stewing on injustice or having to watch their back for the next slight. You have done the right thing in trying to work with the school and being patient for quite a while.

So realistically, is thriving going to happen now ? When you have come to a conclusion on that, the decision is easier to make and to live with.

Faffandahalf · 21/09/2021 14:12

Shocked by @Bluntness100 post.

I see her posts all the time and they’re always sensible and normal. This is so cold and heartless. And also terrible advice.

Bullied kids should change themselves to fit in?? Just no.

OP get her out of there. ASAP.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 21/09/2021 14:13

Definitely move her.
And do not worry about her not being able to go back if the new school isn't great - you wouldn't want to put her back into that toxic hellpit anyway!

I'm going to assume that homeschooling is not an option as a full time thing, but even if you find that the new school is not as academic, or as good generally as you'd hoped, you could still top up her education with tutoring or home schooling if you've a mind to.

Honestly though, she will improve anyway once she's taken out of the appalling atmosphere she's already in. It's possible that her Britishness works against her, despite fluency in the local language - it can be enough for her to be ostracised. And since she has been, and since she''ll be with that cohort right through to 18, it would be torture for her.

There are kids who can get through it by being loners. But what a horrible thing to have to do! Far better to put her into a place where she can start afresh with new people and hopefully more acceptance - hopefully she'll blossom. And if her soul and confidence are revitalised, it might encourage her to be more pro-active with her own learning as well, and possibly do some extended learning activities.

I feel for you, I really do - your poor DD! hope you can get her moved ASAP. Thanks

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