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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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ncmcr · 21/09/2021 14:13

@MarmaladeMakers

There's *@Bluntness* & there's *@Bluntness*100 Just sayin....
Ahhh, that makes a bit more sense.
YouMeandtheSpew · 21/09/2021 14:19

Bluntness' post is useful in that it's good to see laid out clearly the reasons that so many women and girls spend so much of their lives unhappy.

Yep - the problem is you, so change yourself.

OP it sounds like you’ve got a good plan in place. I just wanted to say as many others have that your daughter isn’t the unpopular child in class. She is the bullied child in class. The school sounds appalling - there shouldn’t be any such thing as a ‘sink or swim’ attitude to bullying!

allsorts1 · 21/09/2021 14:20

My DM, for all her faults, moved me TWICE due to bullying, as soon as she discovered it and realised the teachers/school were useless. I found my tribe at the third school and did well. Please move her.

QueeniesCroft · 21/09/2021 14:22

I was also this child at school. I got an excellent academic education, but my mental health has never recovered. As a result of that, I have never been able to take advantage of/make use of the excellent grades I achieved there. So it was all wasted anyway...

mapleleavesreturn · 21/09/2021 14:22

@sunnydaysarenotenough sink or swim is no good if you're sinking. I spent too long trying to get my DD to fix herself at a school that didn't work for her. I'd move her, the scars from bullying will hold her back most of her adult life.

NoWireHangersEver · 21/09/2021 14:26

I was treated like this at school and am just now - from this thread - realising that it might have reflected badly on my self-esteem as an adult and caused lasting issues.

Please move your daughter somewhere else for her sake! Are there no girls' football clubs locally?

WhenISnappedAndFarted · 21/09/2021 14:27

@MarmaladeMakers

There's *@Bluntness* & there's *@Bluntness*100 Just sayin....
That makes more sense
Newtorunning · 21/09/2021 14:30

Not unpopular - this is bullying. Move her I send you strength!
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Ticksallboxes · 21/09/2021 14:33

I would really reconsider English language schools for international students. You say you've heard nothing good about them, but they may suit your DD better because she'll be with other people in similar circumstances to her, and I'd imagine there would be far less established cliques.

Fluffycloudland77 · 21/09/2021 14:34

I was bullied like this too, I got a shit education despite it being a good school.

She has to be moved, my parents left me there because it was a good school. 5 years of misery and I didn’t get a single decent gcse grade while the bullies all did well.

Pyewackect · 21/09/2021 14:35

That's why I sent my daughter to an Independent School - she loved it from day one. Not cheap but she was being bullied and I had to do something.

Wiredforsound · 21/09/2021 14:40

It is not a good school. It is a terrible school that cannot control systematic bullying. I am agog that school children have been allowed to get away with this. It sounds like Lord of the Flies. Please move your daughter immediately and sign her up for activities like martial arts, theatre, or acrobatics. Is there an equivalent of Guides where you are? Honestly, extra curricular sports really gave mine the confidence they needed to get them through the occasional tough times at school because they knew how to achieve - it really builds their resilience.

Sunshineonmars · 21/09/2021 14:48

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Subbaxeo · 21/09/2021 14:51

Oh my goodness, I would have to move her. It would break my heart to see my child so unhappy and to start again somewhere where no one knows her would, to me, be a no brainer. They might not be as good academically, but how can she thrive in an atmosphere like that? Unfortunately, some kids are just little shits and once they decide to pick on someone, that’s that. They can then get the rest of the class to follow. Best wishes to you all-let’s hope that she fits in and is happy somewhere new.

MrsScrubbithatescleaning · 21/09/2021 14:52

I don’t think that @Bluntness100 should be allowed that username as they often post deliberately goady rubbish.
I think they must have a beef with the original @Bluntness. Hmm

Back to the OP. I think you need to move your child to another school because this one clearly isn’t interested in the welfare of your daughter.

Also, can you get her tested for ASD? She sounds like a younger version of me and these things didn’t exist back in the 70’s so you had to get through school as best you could. I left school at 15. I wouldn’t wish my school experiences on anyone. Sad

Subbaxeo · 21/09/2021 14:54

I think the idea of signing her up to other activities outside school is a good one. My son was a bit eccentric at school-ie not your typical 11 year old but he joined an outside gaming (Japanese cards) club then took up rugby and those weekends really gave him confidence to dare other people not to accept who he was.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/09/2021 14:54

@YouMeandtheSpew

Bluntness' post is useful in that it's good to see laid out clearly the reasons that so many women and girls spend so much of their lives unhappy.

Yep - the problem is you, so change yourself.

OP it sounds like you’ve got a good plan in place. I just wanted to say as many others have that your daughter isn’t the unpopular child in class. She is the bullied child in class. The school sounds appalling - there shouldn’t be any such thing as a ‘sink or swim’ attitude to bullying!

Agree.

Kids aren't bullied because there is something wrong with them.

Kids are bullies because there is something wrong with them (in a broad sense, including environment).

Pantsomime · 21/09/2021 15:06

Good for you OP looking at another a school- an extra year or so studying in later years to catch up academically or switching jobs is far easier than a life time of unravelling and helping with poor self esteem, bad choices, mental health and worse- happiness first- always

Scautish · 21/09/2021 15:09

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Rangoon · 21/09/2021 15:10

I was this child too, but I was of the smaller and bookish variety. I experienced dreadful bullying. I did have a core group of friends though - the music kids. I was the most unmusical child imaginable, but they let me be friends and hang out in the music room. This was an incredibly painful and scarring period in my life. Your daughter has no friends at this school, and she is not going to make any. The girls sound like vicious little cats. I have never heard of a class being allowed to VOTE that a child should be excluded and the teacher who seems to find this acceptable and says your DD's attitude is bad! I understand that education is important, but nobody could learn properly in this environment. Do you really think this school is bringing out the best in your child? I wouldn't be surprised if you daughter did develop psychological problems due to the stress - everybody has a breaking point. Your daughter is not receiving a great education right now. Education has social aspects - making friendships, learning how to behave and so on. None of these things are happening for your DD.

Almost any other school is likely be better than this. How could any school really be any worse? I imagine the international schools will be far more welcoming to "foreigners" because they are all foreigners. Boarding school would be an option. I don't think your daughter should change herself to fit in with her vicious classmates. Would you be proud of your daughter if she did?

My children initially went to a very "well regarded" primary school with glowing endorsements from the education review body. I discovered that one of my children was terrified of their teacher because of the constant yelling. Apparently, it could be heard over the whole playground. My other child was struggling academically and there was a barrage of what he was doing wrong and no suggestions about what might help him to do better. The final thing for me was when I went to pick up the youngest child at lunchtime for a dental appointment. I went to his form class and discovered one of his classmates making a fairly serious attempt (and I am not exaggerating here) to garotte a classmate. The girl was badly frightened. I immediately intervened and got him to release the girl who fled. I was still looking for my son. I eventually saw my son, but he didn't see me. He was telling the teacher on playground duty that he was being bullied by some boys and she just told him to try to avoid them. I was speechless. I took my son and he never returned to that school. Neither did my other child. After what I went through, I was never going to leave them there. We changed their schools, and the difference was immediate. There were no shrieking teachers and my son's learning problems were addressed and helped. It is not running away to take your DD out of this toxic environment where she has been picked on. Even the Duchess of Cambridge was apparently bullied at school and her parents moved her. They didn't tell her to stay and try to be more popular and less tall and sporty. Unlike a previous poster I don't think the dichotomy is to endure bullying and exclusion from the pupils and the teachers while making desperate efforts to fit in or get a "shit education".

Teateaandmoretea · 21/09/2021 15:13

I moved my daughter who is now in year 5 as she wasn’t happy/ friendship issues. It was the best decision I ever made, she fits happily in the new school.

If she likes sports then are there options for clubs? My older daughter has blossomed since going to secondary and I think it’s being sporty and the confidence that gives her/ the wider social circle that helps.

DFOD · 21/09/2021 15:16

@sunnydaysarenotenough

Thanks again everyone for the input. I've sent an email to the current school explaining what happened last week and asking if anything will be done to change things. It is very much a 'sink or swim' place when it comes to bullying, so I don't know if much will change - or even know if it can change...the teachers can't 'make' the class play with her if they don't want to.

I'm also going to the new school later this week to see what they say about her attending.

It has been really hard worrying about this - of course, her education will have a huge impact on her future, but as people say, qualifications mean nothing if she grows up unhappy.

There is a local psychologist's office near us that specialises in children, so I might also pop in there.

Thank again - it's actually been really good to have some honest opinions from you all.

Well done @sunnydaysarenotenough - you made some great decisions to move this along - I hope that before you know it you will look back at what you have achieved.
Sunshinebuttercups · 21/09/2021 15:17

Move her. I was this child. My parents didn’t move me, because my siblings were at the same school (logistics would have been hard) and it was the best in the area. It got no better. I was miserable and I’m sure has contributed to mental health issues in my teenager years.

My parents basically sided with the school after a bit, I was difficult and awkward - my siblings didn’t have these issues, if loads of people picked on me then surely the issue must be me?

As an adult I have loads of friends, more then any of my siblings. My face just didn’t fit in that year and no new shoes etc would have helped. Looking back it was a dysfunctional year group and probably a lot of kids had issues, which the school swept under the carpet/didn’t deal with.

MarmaladeMakers · 21/09/2021 15:17

@Sunshineonmars you are wrong , completely different writing styles & advice
I’ve been here long enough to see the difference
That aside , the focus here is the OPs daughter

Sunshineonmars · 21/09/2021 15:21

[quote MarmaladeMakers]@Sunshineonmars you are wrong , completely different writing styles & advice
I’ve been here long enough to see the difference
That aside , the focus here is the OPs daughter[/quote]
There is no poster called Bluntness. And it was you that changed the focus.