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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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applesandpears33 · 21/09/2021 13:23

I agree that it is a toxic culture. My DD is roughly the same age and I can't imagine the children in her school carrying out a vote on whether or not to include someone because they know there would be consequences if they did. Also, they are encouraged to be kind to each other.

lljkk · 21/09/2021 13:24

I hope she's moved soon, OP. x

londonrach · 21/09/2021 13:25

Please move her. X

habibibibi · 21/09/2021 13:25

Another one who immediately thought ADHD.
Listen to this talk and see if it rings any bells with you

lockdownmadnessdotcom · 21/09/2021 13:26

Please move her OP. I have been the child where there has been systematic bullying facilitated by the teachers. I didn't tell my mother until years later. Your dd has told you so please do something about it.

If the new school does the British curriculum is that such a bad thing? This is a UK site where most of us have done the British curriculum and we've come out the other side, and in most cases with decent to very good jobs. I don't even know what sort of exams they do in Spain or Italy or the like (more familiar with Germany).

stickygotstuck · 21/09/2021 13:27

@thebookworm1

Don’t be scared of the state schools. There’s a massive misconception amongst US and UK expats that in many European countries state schools are poor but nothing could be further from the truth. They do have different approaches but I’ve often thought families miss out so much by snobbing the state schools.
OP, as you can see most PPs are telling you to mover her. You must. Anything is better. Listen to the posters with sadly similar experiences. It's soul destroying.

From a practical point of view, I very much agree with the above and will definitely take her to a state school you like the look of. If DD does not fit it easily in general, I'd say the larger the better.

Don't know enough about international schools in your area, but I would avoid the one that follows the British Curriculum, unless your DD is planning to move to the UK for uni. A friend's daughters went to a British school abroad and in the end it turned out their A levels weren't suitable for entry to the local unis, so had to resit the relevant exams and miss a year.

Clarice99 · 21/09/2021 13:30

Please ensure that you do not make your daughter 'the problem'. Be very careful of the messages you are giving to her about appointments with a psychologist.

Your DD is not the problem. She is being bullied. The school are failing her dismally and the bullies appear to have free reign.

I was bullied at school and it has very long lasting consequences. My parents did nothing to address it and they reinforced the message that the bullying was due to me being a weirdo.

KosherDill · 21/09/2021 13:30

@PyjamaFan

I agree.

Being unhappy and lonely for all those years is bound to have an extremely negative affect on her mental health, possibly for the rest of her life.

This. Letting the situation continue is inexcusable.
Eve81 · 21/09/2021 13:31

This just a broke my heart. Your poor baby, and for a mother is absolutely horrific!

You absolutely need to move her schools. Even home educations would be preferable to this. Wishing you all the luck.

Mosaic123 · 21/09/2021 13:33

You can always get her some after school tutoring if the education at a different school isn't quite perfect.

SmallProvincial · 21/09/2021 13:34

I was this child. Literally my whole year group took against me in late primary. I still have no idea why.

I'm a healthy, balanced, fairly popular adult, married, child, good friends, positive working relationships, I very rarely fall out with anyone (I can't remember the last time...). But there is still a part of me that is forever that little girl who no one liked, and I didn't know why.

Please move her. And while you're at it, see what you can do to rebuild the confidence and self-worth she will already have lost.

Lovemusic33 · 21/09/2021 13:34

Kids are so horrible, voting on wether to exclude a child from playing? 😢

My daughter was always the unpopular kid too, she has Aspergers so is a bit socially awkward but she’s kind and will do anything for anyone. She always preferred to hang around with boys too. She’s 17 now and her best friend is a boy. She only has a couple girl friends and one is possibly autistic too. It’s not easy watching your child be excluded from things 😢. I don’t tolerate any bullying, calling a child names and leaving them out of everything is not on, I would be complaining to the school and making sure these kids are punished. Girls often tend to be bitchier than boys, I can see why your dd gets on better with the boys (I was the same as a child).

AuntMasha · 21/09/2021 13:36

@Bluntness100

I don’t agree move her, giving her a shit education is the answer.

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op. In some respects it’s good to be an individual and to stand by it, but it means she’s nothing in common with any of the girls. And she needs to accept that she has to stay in the one class, no matter how much she dislikes it. And she can’t make her feelings known to such an extent

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front.

She can’t change others behaviour but she can change herself and make an effort. In the meantime I’d speak to her teacher to see what she advises.

What a horrible post. Were you once the school bully by any chance?
Wildheartsease · 21/09/2021 13:36

Sounds miserable for her! No adult would stay in a job where they were treated like this every day.

I'm interested that you think this is a 'good' school
Your daughter isn't getting great results and she is unhappy there.

Surely a good school is one that is good for your child - not one that gets results for other children.

SueSaid · 21/09/2021 13:36

Oh op why say she is unpopular when she is being excluded and bullied, all supported by the teachers.

Get her out of there!! Her mental health depends on it.

futureghost · 21/09/2021 13:37

So is she essentially being bullied because she is ethnically different and looks different?

Move her, or move back to the UK or homeschool if there is a homeschool community where you are. She can't continue to go to that school. The research evidence on this shows that bullied children have worst mental health outcomes than children who are victims of sexual abuse.

SueSaid · 21/09/2021 13:37

'I'm interested that you think this is a 'good' school'

Exactly. It isn't a good school it is a shit school and your dd deserves better.

ittakes2 · 21/09/2021 13:40

Please google ADD as well as primitive reflexes not going dormant and see if either or both of these apply to her.
From my experience if a child struggles with friendships at this extreme its usually because they are missing some social skills the other children notice are missing but its not apparent to adults.
One thing I would say though is if you can find a way to turn this around it can become a positive experience for her changing bad into good. I would focus on friendships outside of school to boost her confidence. And sit down and think of one other child who might benefit from having a friend and work on getting them together.

00100001 · 21/09/2021 13:40

@Bluntness100 must be being sarcastic

DocAutumn · 21/09/2021 13:40

Nobody can spend their entire childhood being treated like that and not be badly affected. I wouldn't send her in for one more day. Bunch of bastards!

nanbread · 21/09/2021 13:41

Haven't RTFT but I wonder whether she might have ADHD, be autistic, or have processing issues that make friendships and social interaction harder for her. It's quite common for autistic girls to play more with boys, for example.

And she struggles to sit still in one class, and is disorganised and unmotivated - all could be ADHD / executive function.

YouokHun · 21/09/2021 13:41

@DeepaBeesKit

I would also being trying to get to the bottom of the form teachers comments that her attitude is wrong.

Children are quick to pick up who is considered "naughty" etc even if it's not open disruption and it may be that's at least partly behind their decision to avoid your daughter.

However it doesn't excuse such nasty behaviour, which the school should be tackling.

I agree with the chorus about changing school. Even if on paper the school is the best there’s no way it can be good enough to cancel out the lack of tackling the bullying and even if it is a good school it’s unlikely it’s going to be good for your DD.

What you’re describing is familiar to me with my own DD who struggled with friendships and was always at odds with other girls from about year 3 onwards. She was also unpopular with the teachers for being “bright but obviously lazy” and later for “not caring about her work”. In my DD’s case (and I’m not suggesting this is the case for your DD @sunnydaysarenotenough) we realised, as others matured, that she was still chaotic, unfocused and struggling relating to her peers, that something was going on “beyond the teachers’ “lazy” and “not bright” assessment. She was eventually diagnosed with Inattentive ADHD. It helped answer why she struggled to fit in or manage her work, and why she lost things and fell foul of her teachers. The school she was at simply couldn’t get their heads around ADHD so we moved school and it’s been the making of her despite the school she moved to “not being such a good school” on paper; it’s was much better school for her.

YouokHun · 21/09/2021 13:42

Crosspost @nanbread!

EgSk · 21/09/2021 13:42

This breaks my heart . No kid should be treated like this . Like the others have said , I would suggest moving school. This is a bit extreme and maybe not possible but could you move countries or regions if you feel like she would fit in elsewhere?

GlitterBiscuits · 21/09/2021 13:43

Is your intention to stay in this country forever?

I wondered if you had any long term plans?

I am with everyone who says shoe should move. If she's happy she will learn and become more engaged

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