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my daughter is the unpopular kid in class

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sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 11:19

I'm really struggling with the situation my daughter finds herself in and would appreciate some practical advice on what to do next.
Background - we are British but live in Europe and our kids were born here. They've been in the local school since nursery and speak the language fluently etc, so we always assumed they would fit right in. My son is doing OK at school socially and has a few friends, but my daughter is really struggling. She is now in Y6 and has gone from having a couple of friends in earlier years (always boys) to absolutely no friends at school.
She is quite a resilient character, and last year palled up with a boy in the class who was being bullied, but he has now left the school and she is alone.
Of course, she is not perfect, but she is really kind, funny, lovely looking and loves sport. However, she's now at an age where the boys don't want to play with her anymore - and when she asks to join in a game of football they call her names - every day - mainly ‘fat’ (she is slightly chubby but is tall and sporty – essentially a normal sized girl in a country where some kids are smaller).
The girls all refuse to play with her at all. This came to a head last week when they held a vote that decided she cannot join in any class games during breaks - and no one will allow her to sit with them at lunch.
Her class teacher gives the impression that she is not especially keen on her either - mainly because she hates sitting for a whole day in the same classroom, which is the rule here since COVID.
She’s always the last to be picked for any team or group activity – even in sports, which she is good at. For example, her pupil group in music class (which the teacher had to put her in because no one wanted her to join their group) had to perform a dance to some music last week, which she is perfectly able to do well, but she was told by her colleagues that she had to go last because she’s ‘rubbish’. It's quite an academic school and although she has a good brain the teachers tell me she often seems to be disorganised or unmotivated in the classes. She has passed every year to date with a low/medium grade.
Last Friday she was crying about the whole situation and telling me that everyone hates her - pupils and staff. She wants to leave the school.
Unfortunately, it would be incredibly difficult for her to change school - there are not many alternatives here, apart from very poorly funded state schools, where she may or may not fit in and may not recieve a great education, or English language schools for international students, which I’ve never heard anything good about. Her current school is supposed to be the best in the region.
So here we are… I've been through all the practical things that I can think of - even buying new ‘cool’ shoes last weekend, as the class teased her about her shoes. She has nothing especially 'different' about her – apart from that she always preferred playing with the boys when she was younger - she just seems to have become the unpopular girl in the class.
She does football club outside of school, but is the only girl there, so no friends to be made. She just isn’t interested in dance academy or any of the other more 'girl-oriented' out of school activities.
If she stays at the school she will be in the same class of students for the whole of school until 18, so things really need to change… I would really appreciate any ideas as it is breaking my heart and I really worry about the long-term implications for her self-esteem etc.

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GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 21/09/2021 13:03

I honestly am wondering if @Bluntness100 has been hacked. Really awful advice essentially victim blaming.

Dancingonmoonlight · 21/09/2021 13:03

Are you in Spain?

A similar thing happened to the daughter of someone I know in Spain. The school didn’t/refused to get involved. They didn’t even inform the parents when the child was being actively bullied. The child dropped out of school. She is now ten and us being home educated.

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 21/09/2021 13:04

The class held a VOTE that she should be entirely excluded and the teacher says her attitude is bad!!!!!!! Holy fucking moly, 'scuse my language but she'd have been out there so fast you wouldn't even have seen a blur if I was in your shoes. How on earth is she meant to come back from this. I am appalled that her own whole self is being entirely rejected by her classmates and not one single shit is being given by the teacher! She has no chance.
In the UK school my kids are at this absolutely could not happen. The head and teachers put emotional wellbeing VERY high on their priorities because they know you cannot learn if you are miserable. All children are encouraged to be themselves and find their niche, all children are encouraged to recognise each others good qualities and no child inflicting distress on another would be tolerated for a heartbeat. This is what your daughter and every child ever deserves.
She is currently withstanding the deeply personal onslaught of authority endorsed ostracising and bullying which is cruel in the extreme. I don't know how she gets out of bed in the morning.

OP move her, anywhere it doesn't matter. Meanwhile help her find ways of spending as much time as possible with anyone who genuinely likes her and enjoys her company, grandparents, freinds from different circle it doesn't matter - anything to counter the relentless message that she is less than nothing.

Comedycook · 21/09/2021 13:04

@DFOD

The bottom line is she needs to try to fit in op

Why would anyone expect their child to fit in with this gross bullying system - to adapt, accept and become these values?

I know. If you're in a work situation and a colleague didn't fit in...what would you do? Be polite and try to include them anyway or have a vote between you all to keep them feeling excluded?
LagunaBubbles · 21/09/2021 13:05

The bottom line here is she either makes an effort to fit in, or she goes through school unpopular or she gets a shit education where it might be even worse on the friendship front

Often wondered how the parents of bullies justified their behaviour.

spicedappledonuts · 21/09/2021 13:05

My dc go to an international school, it doesn't have the most stellar results in the area because it has a pretty open admittance policy.
But the results are decent and the kids are happy.
It is doesn't have bullying issues and the fact difference is accepted is I think part of that.

I would strongly recommend that you consider them for your dc.
Feeling you belong is so important and your dd isn't going to leave her current school well rounded and happy.

DFOD · 21/09/2021 13:07

I know. If you're in a work situation and a colleague didn't fit in...what would you do? Be polite and try to include them anyway or have a vote between you all to keep them feeling excluded?

And if this happened the company would be in an industrial tribunal - it’s shocking that children aren’t afforded the same legal rights and protections

sunnydaysarenotenough · 21/09/2021 13:09

Thanks again everyone for the input. I've sent an email to the current school explaining what happened last week and asking if anything will be done to change things. It is very much a 'sink or swim' place when it comes to bullying, so I don't know if much will change - or even know if it can change...the teachers can't 'make' the class play with her if they don't want to.

I'm also going to the new school later this week to see what they say about her attending.

It has been really hard worrying about this - of course, her education will have a huge impact on her future, but as people say, qualifications mean nothing if she grows up unhappy.

There is a local psychologist's office near us that specialises in children, so I might also pop in there.

Thank again - it's actually been really good to have some honest opinions from you all.

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Dancingonmoonlight · 21/09/2021 13:13

OP You don’t have to, of course, but it would be helpful to make people aware of the country. People feel alone when these things happen and are afraid to cause a fuss. It’ could be useful for others?

applesandpears33 · 21/09/2021 13:14

I'd arrange to visit the international/British school this week and I'd be asking about their inclusion policies. The treatment your DD has received is shocking. Children are quick to pick up on attitudes from teachers and the attitude they have picked up here is that they can bully her without any sanctions because the teacher doesn't disapprove of their actions. I was in that position as a child and it is very, very difficult because it feels as though your whole school is against you. A school which aims at inclusion rather than exclusion of people who don't fit a certain stereo type would be better for her.

stupiduser · 21/09/2021 13:14

I'm so sorry for your daughter. Please move her. I went to a 'posh' boarding school, I was bullied to the point of self harm and wanting to die. It has changed who I should have been. I never think I am worth liking or being friends with. Please get her out now. I may have got a good education but my mental health is shit, I would much prefer the other way round

CleopatrasBeautifulNose · 21/09/2021 13:15

Not sure what a psychologist can do - her distress is an entirely reasonable reaction to her utterly dire treatment. Be careful you don't give her the message she is the problem if she perceives needing to consult a professional about her to indicate she's the issue. They're the problem not her. The ones who need a psychological assessment are the ones who believe it's OK to treat someone like this. She just needs strong support.
The school's culture of acceptance is at the root, they can't force the others to play with her but it would never have come to this in the first place if the low level stuff wasn't tolerated - it's a toxic culture.

TatianaBis · 21/09/2021 13:16

A psychologist can help reassure her that she is not the problem here and work through the experience so that it doesn’t impact her self esteem long term.

spicedappledonuts · 21/09/2021 13:17

The school could do plenty about the bullying if it wanted to.
Setting up a buddy system.
Helping organize class games and making sure everyone joins in.
Doing work where everyone writes notes about things that they like about others, everyone gets one from someone else.
Talking about behavior standards etc.

My d 's primary school ( it was also international) did a lot of this stuff. The lack of bullying wasn't just a happy accident, the school worked at it.

kirinm · 21/09/2021 13:17

The vote is honestly one of the nastiest things I've heard kids do. I had something similar when three girls from a different class managed to locate me in a different part of the school to enthusiastically tell me that "with friends like me, who needs enemies". To know they had sat thinking this up and gone to the effort of finding me is shocking really. I forget how spiteful kids can be.

I really hope you move her OP.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 21/09/2021 13:18

It could be the best school in the world and still be the wrong choice.

She is miserable and facing the same until 18. No education is worth the damage that this will do to her.

RolloTomassi · 21/09/2021 13:18

Poor girl, and poor you. Agree you ought to move her, educational standards are worthless if in the long-run her confidence is ruined by feeling inferior and disliked. She has no power to change this and as her mum, only you can lift the weight off her and make it happen.

I find the attitude of the teacher incredibly strange. Is it possible your daughter can be difficult in some way? NO excuse for the treatment of DD, and I'd still move her - but just wondering if there's anything to be (subtly) worked on together in readiness for a new school.

Good luck, you sound like a very caring and supportive mum.

opalescent · 21/09/2021 13:19

I honestly wouldn't send her back for another day. I am aghast at the incident where the 'vote' was held, to exclude her from all play. It sounds like something from a Victorian novel. Was this addressed as a stand alone incident at the time? If so, why not?

BluebelllsRosesDaffodills · 21/09/2021 13:19

Do you know any of the parents of the other children that you could speak to?

worriedatthemoment · 21/09/2021 13:19

@Bluntness100 no one should have to change themselves to make others like them when they are doing nothing wrong in the first place especially a child
So if you found out your child was bullying would you say oh well tough its the other childs fault ?
No one said it was a shit education and one school although may not be the best in the area could actually be a better education for some kids
Mu children essentially on record went to a poor performing school than others locally and according ti parents at other schools a shit school, yet mine never had one day of bullying , came out with decent enough grades and enjoyed school life , so the school suited them r

BluebelllsRosesDaffodills · 21/09/2021 13:20

Are all the teachers in the school like this or just one?

I’d speak to your sons teacher to ask advice

CaribouCarafe · 21/09/2021 13:20

The school's culture of acceptance is at the root, they can't force the others to play with her but it would never have come to this in the first place if the low level stuff wasn't tolerated - it's a toxic culture.

Don't underestimate how much the school has a part to play in these dynamics.

My own primary school tried to drive a wedge between me and my best friend - she had ADHD but was very kind, funny, energetic, not academic but also not a particularly naughty kid. They basically dismissed her as a "trouble child" and talked to my parents to tell them I shouldn't be spending time with her! Teachers would treat her differently and they'd move the people sitting next to her regularly so it made it harder for her to form bonds (she entered the school in P4 so was a later joiner).

Luckily my parents didn't give a shit about what the school were saying and I didn't either, or else she would have been friendless!

My point being, hold the school accountable for (A) not creating a culture whereby no child is allowed to be excluded, and (B) possibly encouraging the exclusionary behaviour themselves - adults are not beyond being cruel pricks.

opalescent · 21/09/2021 13:20

@CleopatrasBeautifulNose

Not sure what a psychologist can do - her distress is an entirely reasonable reaction to her utterly dire treatment. Be careful you don't give her the message she is the problem if she perceives needing to consult a professional about her to indicate she's the issue. They're the problem not her. The ones who need a psychological assessment are the ones who believe it's OK to treat someone like this. She just needs strong support. The school's culture of acceptance is at the root, they can't force the others to play with her but it would never have come to this in the first place if the low level stuff wasn't tolerated - it's a toxic culture.
This. Please don't medicalise her completely appropriate distress. Acknowledge that the school is hideous and remove her from it.
OhRosalind · 21/09/2021 13:20

Your poor daughter. This sounds horrendous (especially the vote) but depending where you are unfortunately schools might take a more hands-off approach to the pastoral side of things or not consider exclusion as bullying. The school might also prefer to label your daughter as the problem rather than piss off 20 sets of fee-paying parents by accusing their darlings of being bullies.

I’m not sure where in Southern Europe you are but if you’re in Italy I’d consider public school as well as the international schools, they may be poorly funded in terms of equipment but standards and care are often better than the private sector.

AdriannaP · 21/09/2021 13:22

Reading this made me think you are in Italy. So sorry for your DD, the school sounds rubbish, I would also try and move her.

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