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To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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checkedcloth · 19/09/2021 13:05

So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

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cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:58

@FourTeaFallOut

Neither is anyone else, @FourTeaFallOut* We are saying it’s a symptom of something that will get worse, and we are angry about those who caused it.*

Bit don't you think it a bit rude, in a world were there is such food insecurity that people starve to death with startling frequency, to make nipping off to another shop for salmon your symbol of Brexit hardship? And then to complain when people suggest this might come across as a first world problem...

As I say, I'm out.

And again. Nobody is saying it’s hardship. Just that it’s symptomatic of what’s coming and also that it is frustrating for things to get worse when Brexiters insisted everything would be better.
Billandben444 · 19/09/2021 17:01

Weirdly lots i have spoken to wanted to get rid of the Muslims and those that dress differently so voted for Brexit!!
I'm hoping these people you speak to aren't friends - do you stand on street corners and conduct surveys with racist strangers?

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 17:02

it is frustrating for things to get worse when Brexiters insisted everything would be better

But we, (apparently I can say I'm out a hundred times but I can't keep away Grin)
knew it would be shit. This is why I voted to remain. I did think it would be worse than this and I do think worse may come. I still, unwaveringly, believe that moaning about this inconvenience, at this point, is just complaining for effect.

Ilovegreentomatoes · 19/09/2021 17:03

Funny how all the remainers spoke to so many leavers who wanted to leave to get the foreigners out. Utter bullshit .

rhonddacynontaf · 19/09/2021 17:04

@Ilovegreentomatoes

Funny how all the remainers spoke to so many leavers who wanted to leave to get the foreigners out. Utter bullshit .
I actually did though. Everyone else in my family wanted to leave. Because of foreigners.
DamnUserName21 · 19/09/2021 17:04

They have utterly fucked us. And themselves because their NHS and end of life care will be utterly fucked. They can't even get a blood test now. Do you know how many old people get blood tests every week?

First of all, the NHS is fucked anyway due to ageing population and the ever increasing health conditions and disease. Brexit has exacerbated this but UK imports HCPs from other places: subsaharan Africa (Nigeria, SA, Zimbabwe) as well as Asia (Phillipines)-this will likely increase.

Secondly, as mentioned upthread, the blood bottle shortage is not down to Brexit. The BMJ explains it well:
www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2174

Pumperthepumper · 19/09/2021 17:05

@Ilovegreentomatoes

Funny how all the remainers spoke to so many leavers who wanted to leave to get the foreigners out. Utter bullshit .
Did you miss Farage’s poster?

Let’s not pretend xenophobia didn’t play a massive part of the Brexit campaign.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 17:08

@FourTeaFallOut

it is frustrating for things to get worse when Brexiters insisted everything would be better

But we, (apparently I can say I'm out a hundred times but I can't keep away Grin)
knew it would be shit. This is why I voted to remain. I did think it would be worse than this and I do think worse may come. I still, unwaveringly, believe that moaning about this inconvenience, at this point, is just complaining for effect.

We aren’t really disagreeing much I don’t think. And yes, we knew what would happen. Maybe what’s frustrating is the total lack of realisation amongst Brexiters. They just won’t accept it and make stupid excuses about ‘first world problems’ which is where you started, albeit for a different reason. I think that’s why you’ve had this reaction. It feels like you are minimising the issues coming down the line as well as current ones. Plus it’s not just luxury items even now.
Eleganz · 19/09/2021 17:11

[quote DamnUserName21]They have utterly fucked us. And themselves because their NHS and end of life care will be utterly fucked. They can't even get a blood test now. Do you know how many old people get blood tests every week?

First of all, the NHS is fucked anyway due to ageing population and the ever increasing health conditions and disease. Brexit has exacerbated this but UK imports HCPs from other places: subsaharan Africa (Nigeria, SA, Zimbabwe) as well as Asia (Phillipines)-this will likely increase.

Secondly, as mentioned upthread, the blood bottle shortage is not down to Brexit. The BMJ explains it well:
www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2174[/quote]
Most of that article is behind a paywall. What there is that isn't is an uncritical reportage of the supplier's statements on why there is a shortage which appears to be a combination of COVID 19 pressures and supply chain issues of which there really isn't a clear reason given. We are talking about a major NHS supplier that appears to have a near monopoly on supply of a product. Do you think it would be in their interests to blame brexit under the current government? A government that has played fast and loose with NHS contracts?

Does the article behind the paywall go into a bit of analysis? If so, what does it say?

Notthemessiah · 19/09/2021 17:12

No, I don’t. It’s the bloody system set up for the benefit of the 1%. I’d like to change that. However brexit makes that worse, not better, especially in Britain which seems to have been captured by extreme Tories…

Short term I agree. Long term it's harder to tell.

I voted remain, but contrary to popular opinion here I don't think that those who voted for Brexit were simply either racists or idiots and those who do are simply doing exactly what those in control want them to do - fight amongst ourselves, so we fail to see the real enemy.

I think a large number of brexit supporters were simply totally disenchanted and disenfrachised and saw the opportunity to force some kind of change. Many did not have comfy middle class lives and so had far less to lose.

Brexit isn't going to be reversed, so we can either rage against it, keep hating everyone and make it worse, or we can try and make it the best of it, whatever that may be. We have to hold the tories to the promises that actually might improve life in this country, while making sure that they don't simply use it as a smokescreen to line their pockets from a bit of disaster capitalism or as an excuse to remove any of the remaining employment protections that we enjoyed when part of the EU.

I don't hold out a lot of hope to be honest, but the longer they hold out from simply bussing back the HGV drivers from Eastern Europe or opening the door for anyone to come in and do the social care or hospitality jobs that we should be doing ourselves (if they were paid properly) the more optimistic I become.

Eleganz · 19/09/2021 17:13

@FourTeaFallOut

it is frustrating for things to get worse when Brexiters insisted everything would be better

But we, (apparently I can say I'm out a hundred times but I can't keep away Grin)
knew it would be shit. This is why I voted to remain. I did think it would be worse than this and I do think worse may come. I still, unwaveringly, believe that moaning about this inconvenience, at this point, is just complaining for effect.

I completely disagree. How else is public opinion supposed to be swayed if we cannot clearly link brexit with its consequences?
theDudesmummy · 19/09/2021 17:13

As someone else in Ireland said upthread, the shelves seem OK here at the moment, I believe because the government has worked to decrease reliance on the landbridge, seeing what was coming. Increased direct France-Ireland ferries etc. The governemnt here, whatever you may think of them in general, does not have its head up its arse in the sand like the Tories do...

theDudesmummy · 19/09/2021 17:15

The PP who said they could not leave Britain because of language barrier etc, we speak Engish here! (And in three and a half years I can apply to be an EU citizen again).

callmeadoctor · 19/09/2021 17:16

I voted Brexit, don't care what other people think...................................

Eleganz · 19/09/2021 17:17

@Notthemessiah

No, I don’t. It’s the bloody system set up for the benefit of the 1%. I’d like to change that. However brexit makes that worse, not better, especially in Britain which seems to have been captured by extreme Tories…

Short term I agree. Long term it's harder to tell.

I voted remain, but contrary to popular opinion here I don't think that those who voted for Brexit were simply either racists or idiots and those who do are simply doing exactly what those in control want them to do - fight amongst ourselves, so we fail to see the real enemy.

I think a large number of brexit supporters were simply totally disenchanted and disenfrachised and saw the opportunity to force some kind of change. Many did not have comfy middle class lives and so had far less to lose.

Brexit isn't going to be reversed, so we can either rage against it, keep hating everyone and make it worse, or we can try and make it the best of it, whatever that may be. We have to hold the tories to the promises that actually might improve life in this country, while making sure that they don't simply use it as a smokescreen to line their pockets from a bit of disaster capitalism or as an excuse to remove any of the remaining employment protections that we enjoyed when part of the EU.

I don't hold out a lot of hope to be honest, but the longer they hold out from simply bussing back the HGV drivers from Eastern Europe or opening the door for anyone to come in and do the social care or hospitality jobs that we should be doing ourselves (if they were paid properly) the more optimistic I become.

We have more chance of rejoining the EU than of getting this government to actually live up to its supposed promises to those working class areas that voted Tory in 2019. Most of the new Tories in those seats are beginning to realise that they are on borrowed time and are dissenting more and more with Government policy, but to no effect.

Labour and other parties are best served by pointing out to people in those areas how life has not got and will not get better under the Tories. Regressive taxation to pay for social care is just the latest in a line of failures that hurt these constituencies disproportionately.

Eleganz · 19/09/2021 17:18

@callmeadoctor

I voted Brexit, don't care what other people think...................................
Fit the profile of a brexit voter well then.
whenthedoveslie · 19/09/2021 17:19

Why do you feel the need to comment on something you can't see and know nothing about? Do you always believe the press?

What an odd thing to say. I am also living in a EU country, I am also a British national with family and friends all over the UK. Are you suggesting they are lying to me with reports of everything mentioned in this thread?

theDudesmummy · 19/09/2021 17:22

@Ilovegreentomatoes I know several people who told us that they voted Leave "because of the foreigners". Most of them were themselves either "foreigners" or children of "foreigners". (But white colonial-country foreigners so apparently that is OK).

Colourcones · 19/09/2021 17:24

I know there are a few problems but to start a thread because you can't get tonic, sparkling water and salmon stinks of so much entitlement I can't take it seriously. You have tap water . Many people don't have water they can safely drink and have to walk miles to get that. Unbelievable.

theDudesmummy · 19/09/2021 17:28

Oh come on, you understand perefectly well that is totally beside the point. The subject is "things in Britain appear to be getting worse because of Brexit. Discuss". Not a comparison between conditions in Britain and those in the developing world.

Wotwhywhen · 19/09/2021 17:28

@Colourcones

I know there are a few problems but to start a thread because you can't get tonic, sparkling water and salmon stinks of so much entitlement I can't take it seriously. You have tap water . Many people don't have water they can safely drink and have to walk miles to get that. Unbelievable.
I want you to remember this next time you feel like complaining.

Garage didn't fix your car properly and your brakes fail and you have an accident... Well some people don't have cars so no complaining.

Brain surgery went wrong and now everything smells purple, well at least you had surgery, some don't get that.

Got a real bad cold and you ache all over, well some people have cancer so quit complaining.

So on and so on..
Just because some people have no feet doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when you stub your toe.

Ilovegreentomatoes · 19/09/2021 17:28

@Eleganz and you fit the profile of a discriminatory remain voter.

FreedomFaith · 19/09/2021 17:29

It's amazing that mumsnet has many people on here ridiculing op for being upset that what she wanted to buy wasn't there, and yet a ton of them have children who can only eat certain type of foods because of autism etc. What are you going to do if those food products go out of stock? Won't be so high and mighty then will you? Hmm

This is clearly a problem, everything is increasing in price, food, fuel, heating, electricity, our taxes etc. Guess those who are mega rich on here don't give a shit about the rest of the people who will be starving or freezing soon. Well, your taxes will go up more and more as those people start dying to compensate. Enjoy your holidays while you can afford them.

Stormyseasallround · 19/09/2021 17:30

But the point is that we had all of those things, in abundance. They weren’t some far off dream, we had oodles of them. And we were promised, guaranteed, that things would be even better post-Brexit. But they’re not. And we are entitled to be annoyed about that. Annoyed about the fact that life is demonstrably worse post-Brexit, on however petty a level. I don’t aspire to a life without luxuries, and I’m surprised that others do.

HijadelaLuna · 19/09/2021 17:34

@MrsFin

I'm pretty sure it's nothing to do with Brexit. Other European countries are having similar problems.
Which countries? I Live on the German French border and shop in both countries regularly and there are no Food shortages at all.. there are problems with building materials but none with groceries…
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