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To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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checkedcloth · 19/09/2021 13:05

So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

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fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 16:17

"Seems like a logistical problem rather than shortages."

Yes it is primarily a logistical issue. No drivers because many of them were from the EU.

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 16:17

What happens when you can’t buy salmon or tuna? Or bread? Or milk?

Yeah, I mean, I'd panic if I couldn't get my hands on bread or milk. I'd be right there with you despising the 52% right there with you. I just can't get there for nipping to another shop to fill my basket with salmon, fizzy water.

Mancity100 · 19/09/2021 16:17

Get coconut milk instead

On a serious note you do know we make bread in the UK and have our own dairys

cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:17

@Mancity100

Get vegan milk lasts longer and better for the planet and eat something else apart from bread
Vegan milks aren’t that great for the environment actually. And I’m pretty sure most people do eat more than bread and milk [confused Which but if it’s harder to get stuff than before are you struggling to understand?
Pumperthepumper · 19/09/2021 16:17

Also if it was just a case of no salmon or fizzy water but very obvious tangible benefits of Brexit then fair enough. Annoying, but worthwhile.

But it’s not. It’s being worse off in every way with absolutely no positives at all. It’s embarrassing.

Pumperthepumper · 19/09/2021 16:18

@FourTeaFallOut

What happens when you can’t buy salmon or tuna? Or bread? Or milk?

Yeah, I mean, I'd panic if I couldn't get my hands on bread or milk. I'd be right there with you despising the 52% right there with you. I just can't get there for nipping to another shop to fill my basket with salmon, fizzy water.

Ok, so just now if you can’t get salmon or fizzy, you’re still better off with Brexit because of……..?
gibletjane · 19/09/2021 16:19

@Skippingabeat you have no idea about my life.

Again my point went over your head. It's unpalatable but the west is going to see a decline in living standards regardless of Brexit. We need to acknowledge it & plan for it.

Pumperthepumper · 19/09/2021 16:19

@Mancity100

Get coconut milk instead

On a serious note you do know we make bread in the UK and have our own dairys

Where are we growing the coconuts in Britain?

What are they feeding the British dairy cows? Where is their antibiotics coming from? Where’s the C02 the coolers run on coming from?

fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 16:20

@Onetraumaatatimeplease

YABU. You should direct your anger at David Cameron and his piss week colleagues. Fucking idiot couldn't win an election on Tory policies so threw in a referendum and then sat back while that other Tory moron lied and lied and lied.
There shouldn't have been a referendum but I don't think that absolves anyone from how they chose to vote - they cherry picked the facts that chimed with their world view and ignored the rest.
Fizzysalmon · 19/09/2021 16:21

Go on…what’s funny about them?

Many things are humorous about the ineffective, outdated system the EU had, there's plenty out there to read if you are interested.

Notthemessiah · 19/09/2021 16:21

Well, I see a problem with employers exploiting workers, yes. I just see lots of better ways to deal with that than cutting ourselves off from frictionless trade. Can’t you?

Such as? One of the conditions for remaining in the EU was their fundamental right for the free movement of workers. This was an absolute red line, as anyone who followed the various negotiations over the past decade will tell you. Please tell me how we could have remained in the EU (for your frictionless trade) but still somehow managed to wriggle out of this (then go back in time and tell David Cameron, as I'm sure he'd quite like to have known how to do this too).

VaguelyInteresting · 19/09/2021 16:22

I think there’s such a lot of wilful ignorance on this thread.

These supply chain issues aren’t blips. It will get worse not better. There aren’t enough British drivers. EU drivers don’t want to work here. That’s just one element of the issue btw. It’s much much more complex than this and involves storage and logistics issues along with driver availability that I don’t have the skill to explain, but you can Google for expert analysis easily.

Food is going to get much more expensive- both imported and that which is produced here. Farmers are going to have to pay higher wages to get brits to fill jobs EU migrants did. They have NO give in their margins so prices are going to have to come to the consumer. There’s no other way.

It’s not just food. Chemicals we rely on for sewage treatment are already impacted. Medicines, cleaning products etc will all follow.

Why can’t people understand- we are now not only geographically but also economically, legislatively and logistically an island. An island nobody really wants to make life easier for.

Brexit has been an utter disaster and we’re only seeing the thin end of the wedge right now.

fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 16:22

@FourTeaFallOut

What happens when you can’t buy salmon or tuna? Or bread? Or milk?

Yeah, I mean, I'd panic if I couldn't get my hands on bread or milk. I'd be right there with you despising the 52% right there with you. I just can't get there for nipping to another shop to fill my basket with salmon, fizzy water.

But you do understand that no one really cares about fizzy water and salmon dont you? That it's a concerning trend that is reportedly likely to get worse, the thin end of the wedge. People are worried about why it's happening, how much worse it might get, what steps are being taken to resolve it.
fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 16:23

@Fizzysalmon

Go on…what’s funny about them?

Many things are humorous about the ineffective, outdated system the EU had, there's plenty out there to read if you are interested.

Précis them for us. What points fo you find funniest?
Mancity100 · 19/09/2021 16:24

Like I said I work all over and shelves are not empty far from it

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 16:24

Malnourishment here can be dealt with from food banks, prescriptions from the NHS, free school dinners etc etc etc. All of which are shit and unacceptable, but nowhere near as grim and unsolvable as they are in the third world

Hmm Is this the gotcha that you are going with, really?

I give up with all of this - the point, my point, is that there are real problems and fucking whinging and most of the current shortages are the latter. It's legitimate whinging. It's a fucking shame. We had everything at our fingertips all the time and that has been disrupted.

Walking to another shop is not akin to poverty, poor housing and I'll health.

I just haven't got the energy to march your level of vitriol for people who voted differently to myself for salmon and fizzy water, you clearly do, knock yourself out. But I'm not going to pretend nipping to another shop is a hardship.

GlobalForce · 19/09/2021 16:24

I hope tea crops this year were ok for that coconut and oat milk.

www.farmprogress.com/crops/brazil-more-crop-damage-freezing-weather

ladygindiva · 19/09/2021 16:25

What I've noticed that is worrying is that the cheaper supermarket bargain products, the lower priced ranges appear to be short on supply. I'm lucky as I can just choose a branded more expensive loaf of bread / tin of beans and not be thrown into an overdraft because my shopping bill is higher. But 10 years ago for me this would have been an issue, as every penny of my income just about was accounted for, and I had to buy the supermarket bargain priced goods, as I'm sure many families do now.

fourminutestosavetheworld · 19/09/2021 16:25

@Mancity100

Like I said I work all over and shelves are not empty far from it
Thank goodness. I'd better alert the government, world press and major uk supermarkets to let them know there's nothing to worry about.
SusieBob · 19/09/2021 16:26

@Mancity100

Like I said I work all over and shelves are not empty far from it
Phew! For a moment I was believing my own eyes in the shop this morning and the fact that shortages are all over the news.

But you say it's ok, so that's a relief.

Mancity100 · 19/09/2021 16:26

You do get the milk comment was a joke

Longdistance · 19/09/2021 16:27

I’ve not seen any shortages (just north of London). I’ve been able to get pretty much everything.
Salmon and sparkling water all in stock.

Pumperthepumper · 19/09/2021 16:28

@Mancity100

You do get the milk comment was a joke
Was it? So what do you do when the essentials are no longer available?
GlobalForce · 19/09/2021 16:30

www.sharecast.com/news/market_reports/dj-brazil-corn-shortage-to-continue-pressuring-consumer-prices----market-talk--8090035.html

I gather rubber is a global issue also, so if you can't replace those bike or car tyres it's not because of Brexit.

Notthemessiah · 19/09/2021 16:31

Food is going to get much more expensive- both imported and that which is produced here. Farmers are going to have to pay higher wages to get brits to fill jobs EU migrants did. They have NO give in their margins so prices are going to have to come to the consumer. There’s no other way.

Well that's certainly true (but a price worth paying imo) but Tesco et al could certainly cushion it a bit by taking some of the hundreds of millions they make in profit, or the millions they pay to their execs and re-direct some of that to paying the farmers an actual proper rate for their food. Oh, who am I kidding - who really runs this country anyway?