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To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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checkedcloth · 19/09/2021 13:05

So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

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brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 19/09/2021 15:52

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GlobalForce · 19/09/2021 15:53

IncessantNameChanger

Blood test problems are because of a global glass shortage.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 15:53

@Notthemessiah

According to this, and many other sources, because many of our lorry drivers were EU immigrants who’ve returned home, post-Brexit. Why do you think a shortage exists?

Exactly that, so previous to that it was easier and cheaper to pay EU workers, most from eastern Europe, to come in and do the job that it was to train and pay workers from the UK, which is why wages for UK drivers fell dramatically over the last 20 years.

So, next question, do you see a problem with that?

Well, I see a problem with employers exploiting workers, yes. I just see lots of better ways to deal with that than cutting ourselves off from frictionless trade. Can’t you?
FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 15:53

Don’t you think it would be sensible to look at minor, relatively unimportant shortages like this and see what’s causing them so we can prevent it extending to more important goods though?

Yes absolutely. But, I maintain, having to walk to a different shop is a first world problem.

HambletonSquare · 19/09/2021 15:53

Tim Wetherspoon the Brexit cheerleader who is now mithering the government about wanting cheap Euro Labour back

There's many already in the UK who need those jobs
@mustlovegin

Then 'those in the Uk who need those jobs' need to get off their backsides and start applying for them.

Plenty of (mainly unsocial hours) jobs available. Hospitality, driving, care work, school cleaning, council service drivers, etc etc.

Stormyseasallround · 19/09/2021 15:53

@Notthemessiah

According to this, and many other sources, because many of our lorry drivers were EU immigrants who’ve returned home, post-Brexit. Why do you think a shortage exists?

Exactly that, so previous to that it was easier and cheaper to pay EU workers, most from eastern Europe, to come in and do the job that it was to train and pay workers from the UK, which is why wages for UK drivers fell dramatically over the last 20 years.

So, next question, do you see a problem with that?

I honestly don’t mind whether Dave from Bolton or Pietro from Bucharest has the job and earns the wages. I value Pietro, his family, and his contributions as much as I value Dave’s. Pietro isn’t less valuable to me because he’s foreign; he’s still human.
FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 15:54

And criticise Brexit all you like, I voted to remain. But I'm not prone to dramatics to prove a point

cardibach · 19/09/2021 15:56

@FourTeaFallOut

Don’t you think it would be sensible to look at minor, relatively unimportant shortages like this and see what’s causing them so we can prevent it extending to more important goods though?

Yes absolutely. But, I maintain, having to walk to a different shop is a first world problem.

Bit why is that important? As a PP said, we live in the first world. We should be questioning what’s going on and trying to change it, not allowing our standard of living to backslide with no answers.
Stormyseasallround · 19/09/2021 15:56

@FourTeaFallOut

And criticise Brexit all you like, I voted to remain. But I'm not prone to dramatics to prove a point
How is it dramatics to point out that standards of loving have fallen for no demonstrable improvements in return?
changingsheets · 19/09/2021 15:57

I don't despise anyone but as a low income parent it's really getting pretty upsetting when I get paid and I'm wondering what bill to pay and what food to buy

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 15:57

But I live in the first world. I have no aspirations to live in the third world, and I find it utterly unbelievable that you want to have a worse life than you do now either.

What are you on about? Do you have me mixed up with another poster? I don't wish to have a worse life, I'm just aware enough to understand it's not that big of a deal in the scheme of things.

It's a first world problem. We have the luxury of considering this a problem because we live in the first world. Are you struggling with the concept?

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 16:00

How is it dramatics to point out that standards of loving have fallen for no demonstrable improvements in return?

Grin

I'll presume you meant living. I only responded to a poster who asked why other people kept refering to these food shortages as a first world problem.

I'm not pretending that they are anything worse than a first world problem. Because I'm not prone to dramatics.

FurzeMinister · 19/09/2021 16:00

@Notthemessiah

It is awful to think how companies are going to have to pay British lorry drivers a decent wage rather than bringing in cheap East European ones to undercut them. Their poor profit margins.
Excuse me, "East European" drivers are not "cheap". IF UK companies generally weren't paying their employees a fair wage then that reflects badly on the companies, and on the UK government for allowing it. But there are plently of mechanisms to curtail that at a national level short of jumping on your Huffy and riding off a cliff.

Do you imagine that people used to helicopter in from Przemyśl or Igliškėliai every day with a packed lunch? Foreign workers have the same daily and ongoing expenses as local workers.

BobsBurgersisthebest · 19/09/2021 16:01

I work in a supermarket over night and I can assure you there's enough bloody food & availability. What is everyone going on about "I can't get bagels"
Make your own bagels! There are many many different brands of the same product, just buy a different one. Yikes.

Notthemessiah · 19/09/2021 16:02

@cardibach

So what was your point *@Notthemessiah*? You were the one who said 90% of what is in the shops isn’t needed. What did you mean? Because it read like nobody should complain unless they can’t get absolute necessities. Which seems to imply that you feel it would be ok to get to that point.
I meant that 90% of stuff in shops we don't actually need, regardless of brexit or anything else. We should all be looking to consume less and not to demonise a large percentage of the population because we can't buy fizzy water for a few days.

Or do you really that the worlds problems will be solved without us actually having to do anything substantial? Because lots of people on here seem to talk a good fight, but then they fall apart when they don't have any tonic to put in their gin.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:02

@FourTeaFallOut

But I live in the first world. I have no aspirations to live in the third world, and I find it utterly unbelievable that you want to have a worse life than you do now either.

What are you on about? Do you have me mixed up with another poster? I don't wish to have a worse life, I'm just aware enough to understand it's not that big of a deal in the scheme of things.

It's a first world problem. We have the luxury of considering this a problem because we live in the first world. Are you struggling with the concept?

You are the one struggling with the concept I think. Yes, it’s not a serious problem. Previously, eg sparkling water was easy to get in one shop. Now you have to visit several (maybe) shops to get it. We do understand that isn’t comparable to walking 10 miles with a bucket to collect our only water from a dirty spring. But it’s also less easy than it used to be. Ergo life is (a bit) worse. We don’t want that. You say you don’t, but seem to be arguing with us about it.
Oblomov21 · 19/09/2021 16:02

No shortages in our area of Surrey.

FourTeaFallOut · 19/09/2021 16:04

So because I'm not jumping up and down and saying everything is fucked because of the minor inconvenience of switching brand or walking to another shop, I'm what..what are we saying here?

cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:04

You keep saying ‘for a few days’ @Notthemessiah
All the industry experts say it’ll get worse. It’s not just going to be luxury products and it’s not just going to be a few days. So everything else you say becomes irrelevant.

Stormyseasallround · 19/09/2021 16:04

@FourTeaFallOut

But I live in the first world. I have no aspirations to live in the third world, and I find it utterly unbelievable that you want to have a worse life than you do now either.

What are you on about? Do you have me mixed up with another poster? I don't wish to have a worse life, I'm just aware enough to understand it's not that big of a deal in the scheme of things.

It's a first world problem. We have the luxury of considering this a problem because we live in the first world. Are you struggling with the concept?

Rude, much? As you wish:

You are obsessed with us not caring about first world problems. I’ve pointed out to you that you and I both live in the first world. Literally everything we worry about and discuss on here is, by definition, a first world problem.
Children taking drugs? First world problem because they can afford to buy them.
Parents dying? First world problem because they have a hospital to die in
Job losses? First world problem because there’s a welfare system.

Literally everything that concerns us is a first world problem because we are residents of the first world. Therefore it’s trite and fatuous phrase, signifying nothing other than an inability to discuss things properly.

gibletjane · 19/09/2021 16:05

But it’s also less easy than it used to be. Ergo life is (a bit) worse. We don’t want that.

But surely that was coming even without Brexit. Life is going to get tougher for us.

Another irony is we need immigrants due to ageing population but lots of countries will need them so we will have to entice them.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:05

@BobsBurgersisthebestand @Oblomov21
Stop denying there is an issue. Experts agree there is. You are deluding yourselves.

Notthemessiah · 19/09/2021 16:05

*Excuse me, "East European" drivers are not "cheap". IF UK companies generally weren't paying their employees a fair wage then that reflects badly on the companies, and on the UK government for allowing it. But there are plently of mechanisms to curtail that at a national level short of jumping on your Huffy and riding off a cliff.

Do you imagine that people used to helicopter in from Przemyśl or Igliškėliai every day with a packed lunch? Foreign workers have the same daily and ongoing expenses as local workers.*

Sorry, there is just too much wrong here that I don't even know where to start (so I won't - some things are just hopeless).

Onetraumaatatimeplease · 19/09/2021 16:05

YABU. You should direct your anger at David Cameron and his piss week colleagues. Fucking idiot couldn't win an election on Tory policies so threw in a referendum and then sat back while that other Tory moron lied and lied and lied.

cardibach · 19/09/2021 16:06

@gibletjane

But it’s also less easy than it used to be. Ergo life is (a bit) worse. We don’t want that.

But surely that was coming even without Brexit. Life is going to get tougher for us.

Another irony is we need immigrants due to ageing population but lots of countries will need them so we will have to entice them.

That may be so. Brexit has both accelerated and deepened issues. It’s a shit idea and always was.