To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

[quote RinkyStinky1]@Stormyseasallround

Absolutely. Some humility would go a long way, a “yeah we fucked that up, sorry.” Instead they go on the attack because we have the sheer audacity to object to things being worse

Even if someone did want to show some humility and they certainly don't have to, do you think being called ignorant, racist, gammon, Tory voting cunts is going to incite such an act?[/quote]
No, but I can understand why people feel so strongly when they see the lives of their families becoming worse.

Why does the "first world problem!" Always get banded about on here? Justine who owns and created the site did so in the first world for a first world market no?

I never seen anyone stoned to death. I can wear shorts and walk alone without fear of rape ( mostly but we do have a shit rape prosecution system here).

Should be forever grateful? Am I insufferably entitled? My daughter can go to uni. Is she an entitled spoilt brat for that?

Race to the bottom is correct. Do the majority of people honestly think that if you cant get a blood test or miss out on a early cancer diagnosis and then die, knowing that say America doesnt have a NHS would comfort you?

Yes there is always someone worse off always. In which case all conversations on here are moot. There could be a standard auto reply to all posts

"at least your not dead" 🤣

Well, some people have clearly changed their views
"As of September 2021, 48 percent of people in Great Britain thought that it was wrong to leave the European Union, compared with 39 percent who thought it was the right decision."

Bloody hell @Notthemessiah
90% of the stuff in shops we don't actually need
Was Brexit about reducing our options to just what we need? Only I never saw that on the side of a bus…

@IncessantNameChanger

Why does the "first world problem!" Always get banded about on here? Justine who owns and created the site did so in the first world for a first world market no?

I never seen anyone stoned to death. I can wear shorts and walk alone without fear of rape ( mostly but we do have a shit rape prosecution system here).

Should be forever grateful? Am I insufferably entitled? My daughter can go to uni. Is she an entitled spoilt brat for that?

Race to the bottom is correct. Do the majority of people honestly think that if you cant get a blood test or miss out on a early cancer diagnosis and then die, knowing that say America doesnt have a NHS would comfort you?

Yes there is always someone worse off always. In which case all conversations on here are moot. There could be a standard auto reply to all posts

"at least your not dead" 🤣

Quite. Is ‘well your life could be worse’ the only reply to everything now? My husband is shagging my best friend; well at least you got married, I’m alone. I’ve lost my job; well at least you had one once. I’ve broken my leg; be grateful you’re not an amputee.

Why should we be thankful that things are only a bit shit instead of absolutely diabolical??

Because when it comes to food and food insecurity around the world, it seems rude to complain about having to walk to another shop to get fizzy water and salmon.

I think those that are saying we can live without luxuries or climate change will change things anyway are missing the point. I agree with both comments but that’s for a different Aibu.

Yes op could live without sparkling water but why should she have to suffer because of Brexit. Brexiteers believed things would be better than they were and we’d get a big shiny trade deal with the US.

In fact, we’re not just missing sparkling water but missing people to do vital jobs and massively out of pocket as a result of the whole process (billions have been wasted).

The trade deals truss spent fainting around getting nowhere near make up the EU shortfall and mostly replace the deals we already had as part of the EU. There is no big shiny trade deal with The US and the one we have with the EU is half baked and leaves a lot to be desired (NI protocol anyone?) The deals she is getting with far flung countries mean the price of goods will go up (to cover freight) but there will be a bigger environmental impact of getting it to us.

I deal with the impact of Brexit in my work at a large organisation and we had/have the resources to deal with the impact. A lot of smaller businesses will be out of business. Believe me, trading with the EU is so much harder and costlier than before.

I don’t despise those who voted leave. I feel sorry for the ones that did and regret it. It should never have been given to us who don’t understand the ins and outs of being in the EU. Even those who still believe probably just believe what the daily mail tells them.

I put the blame on those at the top, mostly Cameron who couldn’t keep his Tory goons in order and May who harped on about the will of the people and her red lines.

There are no reported food shortages in the EU. There very definitely are here. And yet of course it’s not Brexit to blame hahaha. And yes, apologising for doing something to worsen the lives of other people would be the decent thing to do.

If you read my post upthread, Brexit is, indeed, a factor but not the sole factor. I also provided some sources.
But my point stands-no one has apologise for how they vote.

@Mancity100

Of course it's the same , hate is bloody hate

It's bloody vile what been said on here , towards people who voted brexit

Yes, hate is hate Sometimes it’s justified though. Hating someone for their race - not justified. Hating that someone’s ignorant vote has reduced our standard of living (even if it’s only ever by a tiny bit) - much easier to justify. For what it’s worth I reserve the hate for the liars not the lied to (though I find myself thinking much less of them for believing the obvious shit), but it really isn’t the same as racism.

Wages have been increased by some companies in order to poach drivers from other companies, moving the shortages over to their businesses. Great for individual drivers; of no benefit to the rest of us.

Why do you think there is suddenly a shortage of drivers?

@FourTeaFallOut

Because when it comes to food and food insecurity around the world, it seems rude to complain about having to walk to another shop to get fizzy water and salmon.

But we had both of those things before. They weren’t an impossibly pipe dream. She’s not asking for diamond-encrusted plates, just some fairly mundane fish and beverages. Why should we be happy not to have those things anymore?

Ah bore off and get over it

@cardibach

Bloody hell *@Notthemessiah* 90% of the stuff in shops we don't actually need Was Brexit about reducing our options to just what we need? Only I never saw that on the side of a bus…

Only in your mind maybe, because no-one else said that.

@Notthemessiah

Wages have been increased by some companies in order to poach drivers from other companies, moving the shortages over to their businesses. Great for individual drivers; of no benefit to the rest of us.

Why do you think there is suddenly a shortage of drivers?

According to this, and many other sources, because many of our lorry drivers were EU immigrants who’ve returned home, post-Brexit. Why do you think a shortage exists?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inews.co.uk/news/consumer/lorry-driver-shortage-why-uk-hgv-crisis-mcdonalds-milkshakes-explained-1168266/amp

@Darkchocolateandcoffee

Ah bore off and get over it

Get over my life being worse than it was before this?? Hahahahaha. Why!?? Why should I be happy to accept a demonstrably worse standard of living??

Went to a big Tesco earlier, don’t usually shop there but wanted a change. Plenty of everything bar bottled water, which I don’t buy anyway. North Staffordshire. Seems like a logistical problem rather than shortages ( other than the CO2 issue) .

Oh, come on. I never said that it wasn't worse today than before. I'm suggesting that we can put this in the first world problems box because when it comes to proper food insecurity across the world this is petty nonsense.

I am concerned it could get worse. I am concerned that rising food prices are sinking families living in poverty. I am not concerned that you may have to walk to another shop to buy the thing you want to buy.

My PIL voted for Brexit because 'it's not so much the Polish, it's the Muslims I don't trust' (a direct quote there).

So forgive me for feeling that the majority of Leave voters over a certain age did so because the 'nasty forrinner' issue is king, and to hell with basic principles of economics.

It's all a shitshow which is going to get worse.

So what was your point @Notthemessiah? You were the one who said 90% of what is in the shops isn’t needed. What did you mean? Because it read like nobody should complain unless they can’t get absolute necessities. Which seems to imply that you feel it would be ok to get to that point.

@FourTeaFallOut

Oh, come on. I never said that it wasn't worse today than before. I'm suggesting that we can put this in the first world problems box because when it comes to proper food insecurity across the world this is petty nonsense.

I am concerned it could get worse. I am concerned that rising food prices are sinking families living in poverty. I am not concerned that you may have to walk to another shop to buy the thing you want to buy.

Surely we’re allowed to be both pissed off that things aren’t readily available, AND more worried about people in real grinding poverty? The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

You can. But the former is a first world problem.

According to this, and many other sources, because many of our lorry drivers were EU immigrants who’ve returned home, post-Brexit. Why do you think a shortage exists?

Exactly that, so previous to that it was easier and cheaper to pay EU workers, most from eastern Europe, to come in and do the job that it was to train and pay workers from the UK, which is why wages for UK drivers fell dramatically over the last 20 years.

So, next question, do you see a problem with that?

@LeanneBrownsLonelyBraincell

My PIL voted for Brexit because 'it's not so much the Polish, it's the Muslims I don't trust' (a direct quote there).

So forgive me for feeling that the majority of Leave voters over a certain age did so because the 'nasty forrinner' issue is king, and to hell with basic principles of economics.

It's all a shitshow which is going to get worse.

Not all Brexers are racists or xenophobes.

However the propaganda spouted included much to appeal to those who were.

@FourTeaFallOut

You can. But the former is a first world problem.

But I live in the first world. I have no aspirations to live in the third world, and I find it utterly unbelievable that you want to have a worse life than you do now either. If you were to say to me, ‘Yes fizzy water and salmon are hard to buy, but hey don’t forget that the NHS is now £350million a week better off,” then of course I should suck up the food shortages. But we’ve got no salmon AND no NHS money - what there am I supposed to be happy about??

@FourTeaFallOut

Oh, come on. I never said that it wasn't worse today than before. I'm suggesting that we can put this in the first world problems box because when it comes to proper food insecurity across the world this is petty nonsense.

I am concerned it could get worse. I am concerned that rising food prices are sinking families living in poverty. I am not concerned that you may have to walk to another shop to buy the thing you want to buy.

Don’t you think it would be sensible to look at minor, relatively unimportant shortages like this and see what’s causing them so we can prevent it extending to more important goods though. As far as anyone can work out, the bulk of the issue is Brexit. So criticising Brexit and those who caused it is reasonable, isn’t it? As is putting pressure on where possible to reverse or reduce it to prevent things getting worse. Doing nothing until it’s massively serious seems a bit daft.