To despise those that voted for Brexit when I’m doing my weekly shop

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So little stock on the shelves. Makes the weekly shop a complete nightmare as you just cannot meal plan anymore.

I didn’t vote for this absolute shit storm.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I've never heard anything so disgusting and utterly entitled in my life. I've just been to Lidl and done a big weekly possibly 2 weekly shop for £22. I bought everything I needed all of the basics. So a few shelves were empty but Im not sleeping on the street or starving like so many people in the world.

Is it entitled to want to have vital blood tests?

Worrying about supply chain issues is not entitlement: shortages and price rises affect those of us who need to watch every sodding penny far more than anyone else. If you can't see this, they've really done a number on you.

I don't feel like this. I voted Remain, but to be honest, not with any great gusto, or with any sense of superior knowledge. I didn't understand many of the issues. I voted Remain I think due to 'better the devil you know' and 'lesser of two evils' type reasons. Also, most of my friends were remainers. But, I know people who voted Leave. Generally perfectly nice people, not a separate species. I wouldn't define someone by the way they voted in a referendum five years ago. We're much more than our voting choices, and people are complex.

Though, to be fair to the OP, she made clear it's when in shops, confronted by shortages that she feels this way. Maybe not always?

As stated up thread, shortages are due to a number of factors.

We can't go back in time to 2016. Climate change will bring very real food shortages globally, if we don't act now. So, I think expending emotional energy despising and othering people for the way they voted in a cloud of misinformation (not their fault) several years ago, is misplaced. We need to work together now, too much going on for anything else, in my humble opinion...

@mustlovegin

Press is full of news of uk food shortages

Which press? The Guardian? Shelves are mostly full where we are. I agree it must be a regional thing

Well if you simply google or put the news on you will find lots.

Here is a BBC article to get started

here

[quote whoopsnomore]@tobedtoMNandfart you haven't told us the economic benefits of Brexit yet.[/quote]
Why would I?

All politics / politicians are a shit show.

My point is that the back and white thinking of the Remainer haters is so very naive and depressing.

I thought we were moving on from blind prejudice. But people are happy to despise THE OTHERS and blame them for complex problems.

I went to three supermarkets in Leeds to find tonic water. Yes totally first world problems. But also not an unreasonable ask.

Is it entitled to want to have vital blood tests?

As posted upthread, the BMJ reports that is a worldwide covid issue not down to Brexit.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2174

That can be another thread.

I am not sure what you think is happening here
@emuloc I’m living here and I hate what it’s becoming too. Intolerant. Insular. Denial of obvious problems because people don’t want to see. A shot show a government led by a proven liar who got rid of anyone with any competence to avoid anyone challenging him. Liz fucking Truss as Foreign Sec. printing Patel is a disgrace. The new Culture Sec ate some sort of anus on reality tv.
You aren’t honestly happy with any of this are you? Are you? How on Earth do you come to terms with this shit and defend it?

Priti*

@tobedtoMNandfart

No salmon & sparkling water. Good lord what is the world coming to 🤣

Any normal country has salmon and sparkling water in the supermarkets. It's unacceptable that we don't.

Apparently we might run out of meat in a couple of weeks as well, but who cares?

I hope not a single Brexiteer says a peep if there are shortages for Christmas. You did this.

What’s wrong with being spoiled?? What’s wrong with having a great life?? It’s said as if losing out on nice things is some sort of badge of honour; that we should be engaged in a desperate race to a worse life!

Leave voters were repeatedly warned that it would lead to food shortages; it has led to food shortages. And it’s only just beginning. H works fairly high up in a massive food retail business, and they’re braced for far far worse things they can see on the horizon.

It’s shite. I wanted a better life not a worse one, and I do indeed despise the fools who put us in this position because they believe that it would only fuck over other people and not themselves.

@mustlovegin

I'm not even in the UK and our press has reported on your food shortages

Why do you feel the need to comment on something you can't see and know nothing about? Do you always believe the press?

Eh? I do know that I have read articles in our local press about your food shortages, I do know that I also saw those articles. So yes I feel I can comment on what I know and what I have seen.

Seems like it's a touchy subject for you

@nowahousewife

I don’t despise those that voted for Brexit. We had a referendum and there was a result whether you agree with it or not (I don’t btw). I do despise the politicians who persuaded people to vote for Brexit, I despise those politicians who buggered off leaving this mess (looking at you Cameron and Osborne) but mostly I despise the politicians who could not negotiate a Brexit deal and have left us in this mess; May, Davies, Gove, Johnson at al.

I don't blame May as much as the others.

What’s wrong with being spoiled?? What’s wrong with having a great life??

Not everyone was living a fantastic life before. And their issues must have been the reasons why they voted Brexit

@Fbawtft

I agree with you there. Shortage of vets is a huge problem. Same with carers, nhs staff, hgv drivers

And dentists.

Of course not everyone was having a great life before, but now they’re on the same wages but food, fuel and tax have all increased. As they were warned it would. Standards of living are demonstrably falling for the poor, as well as for the middle classes. They were warned it would, and they voted for it anyway.

@BentBastard - 43.6% of a 67.3% turnout. Minority rule. In other news, big foreign money makes football boring and shit.

Any normal country has salmon and sparkling water in the supermarkets. It's unacceptable that we don't.

Fuck me, is fizzy water now a human right or something. God forbid we have to drink water without bubbles in it, straight out of the tap like some kind of animal.

@Notthemessiah

Any normal country has salmon and sparkling water in the supermarkets. It's unacceptable that we don't.

Fuck me, is fizzy water now a human right or something. God forbid we have to drink water without bubbles in it, straight out of the tap like some kind of animal.

Nobody is saying that we’ll die without it, but is was nice to have it and now we don’t. Who the fuck actively seeks out a worse life for themselves??

I don't think it's just Brexit. I live in SE Asia and we've had some shortages. Doesn't sound as bad as what you're experiencing in the UK but yeah, it's not just a British thing.

I didn't vote for Brexit but tbh I've kind of come around to it. Its done, no point dwelling on it. And really it happened at the best time what with Covid - the whole world is in a shitty position so the UK doesn't stand out so badly plus maybe some lives were saved by the UK vaccination program. We'll never know.

@MiddlesexGirl

I meal plan and have had no difficulty at all. I shop online at one of the big supermarkets and have got used to their being no substitutions at all ... whereas before covid/Brexit there were always at least one or two.

Sorry…is this a genuine attempt to suggest supply chains have improved since covid and Brexit? That is fucking impressive self delusion…

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@tobedtoMNandfart because people who don't nod along to the "Brexit is all great" narrative are frustrated that the many many downsides are not balanced by ANY tangible benefit and that those who voted for and supported this seem reluctant to admit is not all "sunlit uplands"and take any responsibility for their decision.

What I don’t understand is the Brexiteers on here saying things like ‘it’s not that bad, you can’t be struggling if you need sparkling water, blah, blah.’

The point is that we (well, you - 48% of voters didn’t fall for it) were sold sunlit uplands. A better quality of life. More money for the NHS. Sovereignty and spitfires and streets paved with gold.

It’s no good saying it isn’t that bad. Sure, it isn’t that bad (yet). Yes, I’d still much rather live in the UK than Afghanistan. But it should be better than what we had before because we’ve spent billions of pounds on it. And it absolutely isn’t.

Imagine if you have a car than cost £10,000. It works perfectly well but someone promises you a better one for £50,000. Then it turns out that the £50,000 is actually a pile of shit that breaks down every 10 miles. Would you say ‘oh well, it isn’t THAT bad, at least it still runs?’ No.

You were sold a very, very expensive turd and now everyone else has to pay for it.

The cost of shopping is really spiralling. A trolley which would have cost about £50 in Lidl a couple of years ago is now more like £80. I have coeliac disease and 2 of my DC are autistic. There are limitations on what we can eat and shortages are worrying. Sure we probably won't starve to death but I enjoy a choice of food rather than looking forward to turnip rations but hey it was worth it to get rid of Johnny Foreigner.

The pp who are saying things like 'just get your fizzy water from Amazon' must lack the imagination to understand that the issue isn't really the lack of fizzy water, or salmon, or whatever, but the fact that there are shortages in a G8 country at all. And of course concern that this could simply be the thin end of the wedge. Perhaps you are someone who won't care about this until something you want to buy is unavailable, which would make you a bit of a fool.