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To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

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MyOhMySimon · 19/09/2021 06:47

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

OP posts:
derxa · 29/09/2021 10:05

We should stick to concrete facts. I agree

Roussette · 29/09/2021 10:11

I know plenty of concrete facts about PA and it ain't pretty

Roussette · 29/09/2021 10:13

I'm not aware of any law breaking on his part so far

Because he's shielded by the might of the RF?
I'm not talking just Epstein now
I doubt his activities with dodgy regimes were all above board by any stretch but he's been well protected

Plumtree391 · 29/09/2021 10:57

@Roussette

I know plenty of concrete facts about PA and it ain't pretty
Well I am not going to ask what. It cannot be nice for you to know things which are unpleasant. I know some facts, about him and members of the royal family, due to where I worked many years ago, but they are not horrible things and I wouldn't share them anyway. Why do people want to think the worst of someone?

I am sorry you have certain knowledge and won't delve. It is best I do not post on this thread any more. Hopefully all will be revealed in the near future and all will be well but somehow I doubt it.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 29/09/2021 10:59

I don't want to turn this thread into a book club, but for any poster who wants to understand where all this rage and consternation at the RF is coming from, Norman Baker's book is the best place to start.

The "concrete facts" are, in a nutshell: since the 1930s (actually way before, but let's not get into that here), the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (who the fuck are they anyway?) have swindled MILLIONS of pounds from British taxpayers and have engineered the "constitution" to twist and invent the rules, ensure their own legal immunity and amass wealth beyond anyone's imagination.

The part of NB's book about the Duchy of Cornwall is just eye-watering. It's basically an organised crime racket. Read the book if you don't believe me.

PC has no legal right to do what he's doing but because he's audit-immune, FoI immune and basically untouchable, he gets away with it.

Even though the RF are just the same as Maxwell, Philip Green, that Royal Bank of Scotland guy and any other tax-dodging swindling corporate asset stripper you care to name, there is no point in trying to get them legally, because they play on their "royal" status to pretend they are above the law.

def. "Racketeering is a type of organized crime in which the perpetrators set up a coercive, fraudulent, extortionary, or otherwise illegal coordinated scheme or operation (a racket) to repeatedly or consistently collect money or other profit." = Duchy of Cornwall.

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2021 11:17

We know Andrew hung out with a convicted sex offender and continued to after that conviction.

We know that he had no regrets about that because Epstein had lots of great contacts (or something)

We know in his big tv appearance he didn’t once express any concern about Epstein’s victims.

We know he spent social time with at least one of these young women, despite a big gulf in age/class.

We also know of a range of temper tantrums and poor behaviour over the years in front of aides and colleagues.

So all this ‘why think the worst of someone’ is just disingenuous nonsense. I would honestly worry for the mental state of people like this. Why would you defend him?

These are the things we actually know about a man who has access to every trick in the book to keep his nasty side from the public. He couldn’t even be arsed keeping this from us, because that’s how little he cares about behaving as a public figure should.

Roussette · 29/09/2021 11:28

Well I am not going to ask what. It cannot be nice for you to know things which are unpleasant

Eh?

@Plumtree391

I'm not talking about secret information I'm talking about what's out there... his past dealings with dodgy regimes, backhanders, selling Sunninghill for more than was asked for it. That type of thing

I need to correct you good and proper on your post in case anyone thinks I know him personally or know someone that does.
I don't.
I'm talking of his past record and his actions now.

CaveMum · 29/09/2021 11:31

The thing is that “if” PA did engage in sexual activity with Virginia Giuffre then he HAS broken the law. He has broken US law around sex trafficking, it doesn’t matter what country the sexual activity took place in, if the person has been trafficked from or through the US then he is party to that offence.

Former FBI agent Jim Clemente explains the full details in that podcast I linked to a while back.

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2021 11:31

I have no idea why plumtree is trying to make out that there are no facts about Andrew’s poor conduct in the public eye.

Roussette · 29/09/2021 11:36

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints

You have summed up that book really well. I, too, found the Duchy of Cornwall stuff jaw dropping.
And the history behind all of this, and why we are where we are now with the RF.

There were so many paragraphs and pages that made me want to shout 'THIS, THIS THIS!!' out loud. I read it on an e-book but need to get it on my laptop to be able to quote parts of it.

The trouble is Church the ardent royalists would not in a million years read this book. Because it destroys the myth and legend that is the RF and to be honest, their lives would be emptier without them in it.

That sounds insulting, I really don't mean it to be. It's just what I think. If you've been brought up on a nonstop diet of royalty, you know no different. Some people (me, for instance!) do want to know the ins and outs of it all, others don't and are happy to live with the status quo and almost typify the royal 'never explain, never complain'

Roussette · 29/09/2021 11:37

@CaveMum

I listened to the two episodes of that podcast, OMG was it good, it really was. It pulled no punches.

MyOhMySimon · 29/09/2021 11:52

'never explain, never complain'

That worked well for them, didn't it? What a great little quote that, on the surface, looks like a show of dignity and sense of duty but also conveniently removes the need for accountability.

Until some people started rocking the boat. Diana, M & H et al comes to mind.

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Roussette · 29/09/2021 11:56

I've always disliked the never explain' never complain' nonsense.

They should always explain and explain fully! They have the responsibility to do so given they are taxpayer funded

And they complain when they want to.

Tellmesomethinggirl · 29/09/2021 11:57

[quote Roussette]@CaveMum

I listened to the two episodes of that podcast, OMG was it good, it really was. It pulled no punches.[/quote]
Could you kindly link podcast again Roussette please; I can't seem to find it as using a very dodgy tablet which is not good at scrolling back?

Roussette · 29/09/2021 12:01

@Tellmesomethinggirl
Here is what CaveMum posted!

Highly recommend listening to this takedown of Prince Andrew’s infamous Panorama interview which was done as part of a profiling of the Epstein case.

1 - podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/real-crime-profile/id1081244497?i=1000459312687

2 - podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/real-crime-profile/id1081244497?i=1000459490380

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 29/09/2021 12:01

@Roussette, how can they be insulted by having the truth pointed out, and why should we keep paying £££££££££ to indulge their delusions and fantasies and keep humiliating ourselves by bowing /scraping to criminals?

The PA thing looks a lot like Berlusconi, they tried to get him for years knowing that he was up to all sorts, then he was finally "done" for - guess what - sex with a 17yo. Difference is, most Italians already knew he was a POS and didn't defend him.

Roussette · 29/09/2021 12:12

Ahhh yes who can forget Berlusconi with his hair weave and bunga-bunga parties
Gross

I just think Royalists. . they love the family so much they don't want to know and literally stick their fingers in their ears and lalalala when anything negative comes up
I know this to be true because there are some well known proRF posters who are really conspicuous by their absence on threads like this or ones about PA.
But I suppose they can't defend the indefensible and are doing the fingers in ears bit

CaveMum · 29/09/2021 12:24

@Roussette glad you enjoyed the podcast episodes. I highly recommend the whole series, they cover some shocking cases in great detail and you’re often left wondering how the hell people like OJ Simpson get off and innocent people like Amanda Knox get dragged down.

derxa · 29/09/2021 12:34

Ahhh yes who can forget Berlusconi with his hair weave and bunga-bunga parties. Gross Yes he's a poster boy for republicanism

Roussette · 29/09/2021 12:34

Yes, I'm listening to the Oscar Pistourius one at the moment. I watched the trial live at the time
Great podcast as a whole Smile

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2021 12:36

Yes he's a poster boy for republicanism

Is that seriously all you’ve got?

Roussette · 29/09/2021 12:39

Berlusconi is dating a woman 54 years younger than him at this moment in time
And he got away with all the disgusting things he did with young girls, prostitution, blackmail, links to the Mafia, extortion etc...because he owned 4 of the 7 mainstream TV channels

No idea why you have to put him up as an example of republicanism Derxa desperation there are many countries doing v well without a Berlusconi

AnnunciataZ · 29/09/2021 12:40

@TheKeatingFive

Yes he's a poster boy for republicanism

Is that seriously all you’ve got?

The poster in question seems to specialise in missing the point and/or taking things out of context so what do you expect? 🙄
Roussette · 29/09/2021 12:41

Keating
Without the RF we'll end up with a Berlusconi.
Apparently

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2021 12:41

Without the RF we'll end up with a Berlusconi.

😂

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