To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

[MyOhMySimon]

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

Charming was more of a "He's younger, more modern than PC, he has a young family and an amaaaziiiiing wife, so we prefer him", than his actual disposition or character. I've seen many people say that about PW, so he's sort of 'charmed" some people with those attributes, I suppose.

Also, I couldn't come up with a different word at the time.

Not particularly charming to his SIL and nephew, no.

Allegedly.

@Idyllic

I disagree with having a monarchy because it is inherently unfair. No matter how talented someone is, they can never be HOS because they're not royal. On the flipside, if the monarch is thick /useless /unpopular it doesn't matter, we don't get a say.

The greediness of the Royals is also sickening. Read 'And what do you do?' by Norman Baker, its jawdropping.

The sycophantic way in which the Royals are treated is annoying too - particularly by toadying reporters and journalists.

The fact that the Queen got Balmoral exempted from the Scottish govt new Green Energy plans - the only person in Scotland to be exempt.

The way MPs /police / armed forces swear an oath of loyalty to the monarch, their heirs and family - surely it should be to the country and the people.

The thing is though Idyllic they are not unpopular. They may appear unpopular on hate threads like this but in reality they are not. Just like Brexit was never going to happen on MN, the RF are not going away anytime soon.

And good. I prefer stability which the Monarchy brings, not some new head of state every few years bringing with them their own political beliefs.

No he isn't. But many people who've been 'charmed' by him and Kate, especially based on those things, don't necessarily care for his SIL, niece and nephew. So it doesn't matter to them.

That was to @ChurchofLatterDayPaints

Just wanted to follow up this point from the previous thread.

There are hundreds of thousands of very wealthy, very privileged people in the world. I think it’s useful to have one whose role is to be useful to the country in the game.

Like Andrew?!?!

@Whinginadeville

What a vile thread it's also the unpleasant minority shouting the loudest

It's a thread. Report it if you think it breaks Talk Guidelines.

In my mind what's actually vile is Andrew and his behaviour, and the Queen supporting him, and Charles and his dodgy mates, and William's less than uxorious behaviour, and the Queen and Charles interfering in politics to their own advantage, the Queen being head of the established church and the state like God put her there, and the country paying for all that crap.

I've had enough of the lot of them.

They may appear unpopular on hate threads like this

So any criticism of the monarchy is "hate"? Give over 🙄

Lol@ "hate threads..."
So far I haven't seen anything here that constitutes 'hate'.

Fair is fair, if you call this rather tame thread a 'hate thread' when it's just discussing the other side of the RF, you must surely be able to say the same thing (worse, even) when you encounter an actual hate thread - and they pop up on mn regularly. It can't only be 'hate' when it's someone you follow without question.

@MyOhMySimon

Lol@ "hate threads..." So far I haven't seen anything here that constitutes 'hate'.

Fair is fair, if you call this rather tame thread a 'hate thread' when it's just discussing the other side of the RF, you must surely be able to say the same thing (worse, even) when you encounter an actual hate thread - and they pop up on mn regularly. It can't only be 'hate' when it's someone you follow without question.

On the flipside, if the monarch is thick /useless /unpopular it doesn't matter, we don't get a say

This isn't questioning its unpleasant and this was just scrolling back a couple of messages. This and the other thread is just the same.

Questioning the Monachry would be comparing the benefits between a Republic & Monarchy. This is just personal attacks.

Monarchy**

This isn't questioning its unpleasant

Nope, it’s just fact. Do you have an issue with facing fact?

The whole point of a monarchy is that you get who fell out of the right vagina. Doesn’t matter how thick or mean. That’s your lot. And you have no rights to depose them.

People shouldn't focus on their dislike for the RF, they should look at how unstabliising a Monarchy referendum would be after the awful five years we have had Brexit and Covid. People need to look at larger Republics ( not just the tiny Ireland one) and see what a republic offers and how stable that country is compared to larger countries with long reigning Monarchies.

Monarchies tend to fair much better than republics. I dont love the queen and adore Charles and wave little union jack flags, I just want stability for the country. We cannot trust the current Politicians to be head of state. Would you want people like Boris as head of state? Sturgeon? Trump? Really?

I didn't read that bit as a personal attack. It was saying even if they are, it still wouldn't matter. However, report it if you read it as a personal attack.

Is that what makes this whole thread a hate thread then? One or two posts that you interpreted as personal attacks? That would render all of MN a hate site if we go by that logic.

Evesgarden

My take on that thick/useless/unpopular comment is that it isn't directed at any member of the Royal Family, just a hypothetical what if?

Thankfully the Queen appears to be none of those things, but the question of who comes after her and if they possess any of those traits is a pertinent question!

I think we have been lucky so far with the monarchs we have had, but all it takes is for the title to be passed to someone who is not a good person, and suddenly you have a problem (especially with Sovereign Immunity). It's important we discuss this.

That's just stating a fact isn't it @Evesgarden? We don't get a choice. Sure we're lucky with Elizabeth II but we might've just as easily got the king of Sweden who's consorted with prostitutes, the former king of Spain whose dodgy financial dealings led to his abdication or a drunken boor like Ernst of Hanover. In fact, if Britain had had laws like other countries that didn't let women inherit the throne then Ernst would be our king now!

People shouldn't focus on their dislike for the RF, they should look at how unstabliising a Monarchy referendum would be after the awful five years we have had Brexit and Covid.

Who are you to tell people what they ‘should’ do?

Yes there are two issues here.

Is it right it the right thing to move on from monarchical government? Yes in my eyes, without question.

How do you go about it? That’s obviously really challenging, you’re right.

We cannot trust the current Politicians to be head of state. Would you want people like Boris as head of state? Sturgeon? Trump? Really?

But please stop trotting out these lazy ass arguments. Google ireland the type of people they elect as president.

And quite honestly, I’d prefer a Sturgeon or Boris president we could get rid of than Andrew as king until he died. It could have easily happened.

Evesgarden

We cannot trust the current Politicians to be head of state. Would you want people like Boris as head of state? Sturgeon? Trump? Really?

The difference is that we get to vote for them, and get rid of them at the next vote if they're shit.

Questioning the Monachry would be comparing the benefits between a Republic & Monarchy

It's good to question the people behind the Monarchy, those who've been peddled as blameless for ages. Now that people can see they're far from it, you think they shouldn't focus on that? They should keep their eyes closed and fawn over the very definition of self-appointed, entitled and filthy-rich while the country is barely scraping by?

@WhatWouldKalindaDo

Evesgarden

My take on that thick/useless/unpopular comment is that it isn't directed at any member of the Royal Family, just a hypothetical what if?

Thankfully the Queen appears to be none of those things, but the question of who comes after her and if they possess any of those traits is a pertinent question!

I think we have been lucky so far with the monarchs we have had, but all it takes is for the title to be passed to someone who is not a good person, and suddenly you have a problem (especially with Sovereign Immunity). It's important we discuss this.

I think we have been lucky so far with the monarchs we have had, but all it takes is for the title to be passed to someone who is not a good person, and suddenly you have a problem (especially with Sovereign Immunity). It's important we discuss this

I agree with this, although the monarch is heavily governed in what they can and can't do, they still have to follow rules too. Trump is a bad person but he was still elected in.

William charmed his wife's (ex) friend well enough. Just because they used their might to keep it out of the press here, doesn't make it not true btw. He was obviously keeping up the family traditions practiced by the men in his family for generations!

Yes, republicans are in a minority in the UK. However, that's going to flip soon in Northern Ireland, and in Scotland fewer than half the population actively support having a monarchy, so they're less Royalist than England and Wales.

Someone mentioned that they do a lot for charity. When you look at the court circular, you see they have plenty of time to themselves. In exchange for their inherited wealth, income from us and the vast resources (property, jewels, art) available to them it's a pretty good exchange. And if they did nothing at all more of the time more people would question why they didn't have jobs and earn their own money.

@TheKeatingFive

People shouldn't focus on their dislike for the RF, they should look at how unstabliising a Monarchy referendum would be after the awful five years we have had Brexit and Covid.

Who are you to tell people what they ‘should’ do?

Yes there are two issues here.

Is it right it the right thing to move on from monarchical government? Yes in my eyes, without question.

How do you go about it? That’s obviously really challenging, you’re right.

We cannot trust the current Politicians to be head of state. Would you want people like Boris as head of state? Sturgeon? Trump? Really?

But please stop trotting out these lazy ass arguments. Google ireland the type of people they elect as president.

And quite honestly, I’d prefer a Sturgeon or Boris president we could get rid of than Andrew as king until he died. It could have easily happened.

Andrew is never going to be King @TheKeatingFive

Maybe you should google that.

Andrew is never going to be King

All it would have taken would have been Charles dying childless.

Then all hail our glorious king Andrew til he died

I agree with this, although the monarch is heavily governed in what they can and can't do, they still have to follow rules too.

They Queen lobbies to have the rules changed just for her.