To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment THREAD 2

[MyOhMySimon]

Carrying on from Thread 1.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4347032-To-think-the-royal-family-are-a-bloody-embarrassment?msgid=110733144#110733144

Haven't seen the OP around, thread 1 is about to run out and someone asked for a new thread.

@CathyorClaire

That was the press who were trashing her

Not like they had to look far TBF but anyway. Public opinion was decidedly frosty. Lukewarm if one was being generous.

I think the weird wailing and gnashing of teeth was at least as much inspired by guilt at the lapping up of the trashing she was getting as the utter shock.

Are you perfect? No I thought not

Her sons are allowed to venerate her. She was their bloody mother FGS

They expend an awful lot of effort in forcing it down everyone else's throats though.

But.. I don't feel warm towards her like I did as a young 20 something for Diana, I can't remember any moment where she has warmed my heart like Diana did

Yes to this. I'm older than Diana but I felt she was breaking the mould. And I warm to flawed people. She was one.

I think there are her two very different sons who look at what happened to her in very different ways, because of their ages, because of their role in life. So nothing that has happened since with Harry, with William has surprised me one little bit.

@CathyorClaire

Her sons are allowed to venerate her. She was their bloody mother FGS

They expend an awful lot of effort in forcing it down everyone else's throats though.

Really? I've heard nothing since the unveiling of that (awful) statue.

Ithink the weird wailing and gnashing of teeth was at least as much inspired by guilt at the lapping up of the trashing she was getting as the utter shock.

I don't disagree with this. And I think some continental paps and some tabloid journalists and proprietors, and of course the members of the public who consumed the stories , were not entirely wrong to feel guilty either.

The press resorted to some very low tactics to get stories. Diana was chased, sworn and even spat at at times to provoke a reaction. Staff and supposed friends sold stories about her. Hideous.

Diana manipulated the press but if there are stories continually being written about you, you might as well try and have a hand in controlling them.

She became a valuable commodity. Some members of the press made a lot of money off her back.

Didn't we first find out about Camilla with the publication of Andrew Morton's book?

Not really; references to the whole thing had been rumbling away for ages, but the book blew the whole thing wide open, and that was the end of it "not being talked about"

I don't know how you all put up with all of this to be honest.

Dear god. Nobody in the eurozone is envying Britain. Absolutely nobody.

She became a valuable commodity. Some members of the press made a lot of money off her back
But let's not forget she also did very well off the taxpayer.

@SunscreenCentral

Dear god. Nobody in the eurozone is envying Britain. Absolutely nobody.

I don’t imagine they are but equally I suspect our monarchy is just one small element in that lack of envy, particularly given that Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain and Sweden also have them.

www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/dutch-royal-family-less-popular-monarchy-under-pressure-survey/

Netherlands not that impressed with theirs either.

Great post on reddit/Abolish the Monarchy explaining why.

@ponyexpress22

She became a valuable commodity. Some members of the press made a lot of money off her back But let's not forget she also did very well off the taxpayer.

Up to a point but she was great. When I worked in London I used to see a lot of the late Princess of Wales and she was so busy, working for many causes and very approachable. It was a sad day for England when she died, I doubt we'll see the like of her again in a hurry.

Such a capable woman but in some ways, fragile and needy. I think that is one of the things that made her so popular, she was normal! Many could identify with Diana.

I hope the press and TV channels and general public will behave with restraint and won't descend in to mawkishness.

(From a PP, in relation to when QE2 dies).

Well, you can hope, right?

I’m anticipating at least two weeks of “mother of our nation”, “will never see her like again”, “sense of duty”, “duty forced on her young shoulders in 1952” blah blah. It will be unbearable.

We might get a day off though, so every cloud, right? I’m not being cruel: the woman is in her nineties.

Two weeks???

I honestly think more. Every single TV channel and radio station will run the same stuff...with PP it was about a day and a half. It'll be much longer with the Queen

There will be endless programmes documentaries, looking back, looking forward and there will a bit of a respite unit l the funeral then it will ramp up again

Before I get royalists flaming me.... I QUITE UNDERSTAND that there needs to be coverage but I can't imagine to will be careful and measured, I will be full on for a long time.
My opinion that's all

*it

I think the coverage will be unremitting for the week between her death and the funeral, there will be another couple of days analysing every detail of the funeral and then a relapse into normality. It can’t go on covering the same ground much beyond that. Let’s hope she goes suddenly too, like her father, or we’ll hear nothing else for the duration of her last illness.

There will be endless programmes documentaries, looking back, looking forward and there will a bit of a respite unit l the funeral then it will ramp up again

You forgot to add the carry-on there'll be around the next coronation - and I wouldn't expect that to be delayed long in case he either dies or even more dirt comes to light to put folk off him still further

I think Covid has meant that we've lost the connection to HM.

It's quite sad really, and add in the media furore about Andrew and Harry/Meghan, we're seeing the RF in a different way.

I'm not sure what role they have in future generations.

Let’s hope she goes suddenly too, like her father

I sort of see what you mean when he went to bed fairly normally and died in his sleep, but I wouldn't exactly call it sudden - not when the man had been a physical wreck for years

Of course it's always a wrench when a parent dies, but looking at him at the "airport farewell" I can't get my head round the claim that they ever expected to see him alive again

The poor man was only in his 50s, no age to die really. I suspect HM will go like her mum. And if she's like her mum then she'll be around for a few years yet!

@Whinginadeville

What a vile thread it's also the unpleasant minority shouting the loudest

Vile? How unduly hyperbolic! I can only presume you don't know the meaning of the word. Here, I'll help you. P Andrew is a v appropriate example of the word.

Another little tip from me to you. Punctuation is always helpful, even when leaving daft posts like yours.

I can't get my head round the claim that they ever expected to see him alive again

I can. The human brain is a very odd thing. My dad died in his sleep at 99. It never occurred to me when I kissed him goodbye the previous day that it would be the last time. Completely illogical.

Gosh yes...the coronation too, that will be endless.

I read a really interesting article about how much the death of the Queen will cost the country. It got into millions, even billions.
Postboxes, new coins being minted, stamps, consulates around the world having to change everything, letterheads, official documents etc.
It was gobsmacking, I'll see if I can find it.

Blossom gosh, yes

A friend of mine, her dad was in a care home, very happy, bright and late 90s.

She had made him a scrapbook of his life and took it in and spent hours going through it all with him. That night he died. Almost like a time to go.. I've seen my life here

I wish I could've had the same with my DPs

King Charles & Queen Camilla. I just can't see it!

PC looked very ill at ease on that Prince Philip programme. I don't think they got on terribly well. Strange that Katherine didn't appear at all and Sophie did.

Also interesting about other monarchies in Europe. If the UK turns in to a republic; I wonder if that would make them more inclined to go the same way, or not?

Either way, I think a referendum would clear the air, except if the result was very close like Brexit.