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Do I need to get a grip when it comes to my nanny?

412 replies

AdifferentGoat · 18/09/2021 11:55

Am fully ready to be told I am being a gigantic cow but figured I'd ask. So, just to quickly sum it up, I am finally back at work (part-time) but am working from home (long story but essentially I am searching for financial freedom). As many recommended since my husband works day and night and is able to contribute when it comes to child work, I hired a nanny to take care of my child while I work...
It all sounds nice and all. I should be ecstatic. I mean it is the ideal situation. I get to work and know my child is being taken care of... But I cannot STAND her. Something about her just rubs me the wrong way. I have felt this for the past few months but always chalked it up to me being oversensitive.
If I sound deranged, it's because I feel deranged! Let me give a few examples. I recently asked if she could please not change my daughter's diaper in the living room. The look she gave me was like I asked her to clean up the blood from a body I murdered. So then I figured, okay maybe I am being a little anal and kind gave it a rest. However last night I went out for the first time in MONTHS. I asked if she could sit her while I was out (I am of course paying her for the additional hours). My husband is traveling so I figured it would be safest to hire her for the evening vs someone new. So she comes over but didn't annouce her presence. I was playing with my child and shouting random songs (as you do) and nanny suddenly 'appears' (she has her own keys). I yelped as seriously thought a ghost had appeared. That and I was in my underwear assuming I was home alone!! I looked at her and said oh my I didn't know you were here! And she gave me a silent look and said 'Yes. Yes i have been here for a hour'. She seemed off (again) but figured I'd ask if she was okay. She said she was okay. I kind of left it at that and went out.
Anyway to finally get to the end of this convoluted post, am I crazy for assuming this woman has bad energy? The easiest solution is to find someone else but she has such a good relationship with my child and my child has bonded to her. That and I need to work! How do I just fire someone because they have bad vibes?? Maybe I am the issue? If you have read this far. Thank you. I just don't know what to do.

OP posts:
Maireas · 19/09/2021 07:37

You sound as if you're in the USA - check your employment laws

Maireas · 19/09/2021 07:42

Sorry, I've just read the rest of your posts, OP. There's some very good advice on here, but the point is that you're uncomfortable with this woman in your home and it needs to change (wherever you live!)

Excited101 · 19/09/2021 08:16

I didn’t want to read and run, you’ve had some good advice op but I’ll try and write a proper reply later. X

MeridianB · 19/09/2021 08:21

Sorry if I misseD it but did you get references for this woman? I suspect she is playing you. A loan for four months of salary which she has yet to start repaying properly because there is ‘always something’ plus five advances on salary? Stop all the extra financing now.

Get some legal advice on how to dismiss her fairly (I’d want to pay her off or write off loan to cover notice rather than trust her with my baby during notice period, as she sounds erratic and unpredictable).

Not sure when your probation ends but if it’s more than a month away I wouldn’t wait. Find a stop gap - nursery, nanny share for a short while and then step back and assess what you really need for childcare and use an agency, so they manage any drama.

Blondeshavemorefun · 19/09/2021 08:21

My first reply was that she isn’t A good fit. It happens sometimes in nanny jobs

You find a new nanny. Your child will be fine. She will adjust and like new carer

If it is nights you are struggling with then get a sleep trainer in

Sleep deprivation is one of the worst things for mental state

I do think you would be better with a live out nanny

butterpuffed · 19/09/2021 08:29

I cannot voice any concern without being told I am 'dramatic'.

Not sure your husband means that, I think it's said to shut down the conversation.

user1496146479 · 19/09/2021 08:31

@CustardySergeant

"The reason her arriving home was weird is because it wasn't a weekend but a weekday."

But you said she lives there during the week and somewhere else at weekends, so why be surprised she's there on a weekday?

Exactly what I was thinking!
PerseverancePays · 19/09/2021 08:34

It sounds to me like you have very little experience in hiring and working with people in your home. Your nanny on the other hand saw you coming ! She has massively taken advantage of you and in her own way undermined you.
You have very afternoon to interview new nannies and weekends as well. You can have your baby with you for the interviews as you can see how they interact with her.
Stop referring to your husband, he’s abusing you by saying that all problems are you being ‘dramatic ‘. That is his get out clause to ever accept any responsibility. It’s not normal to work so exclusively that you are never available for family life and he knows it.
Get some therapy and assertiveness classes for yourself, you need better coping mechanisms, the ones you have are not working for you.
You are doing great coming out of your depression and getting a job and knowing what your exit strategy is, well done for that. But you need to get rid of your nanny by lining up a new one first. Don’t worry about your daughter settling in with her, let the nanny get on with it. Keep your office door shut when you are working!
Baby not sleeping; get some advice, training, increase the nannies hours to night time so she gets up and you never know she might have techniques that will settle the baby. If you do increase her hours, deduct her loan, ignore her family’s problems , she’s guilt tripping you.
Honestly you are doing great , living in the States is hard.
Big hugs to you 💐

AdifferentGoat · 19/09/2021 09:07

So before I get to the all the responses I have received (thank you so much). There is some confusion re why I was surprised she was home. The thing is I had given her the entire day off and I told her to please come home by x hour and to let me know when she would arrive so I could ready myself. She has a boyfriend /partner/someone so I told her to just enjoy her day and come home at x hour so I could meet my friend for dinner. Why I was unsettled was, she hasn't arrived by time I asked her to come home hence I assumed she was running late. However she had been in the house all along. I never lied in my interview with her. I told her weekdays live in and weekends she could do her own thing aside from when we require babysitting but we pay her as a live in and have added more money as she isn't live in during weekends . I told her family time is very important to me but I want a dynamic where her and I are a team and work together.
I'm sorry if I sound frustrated but I am. My husband barely exists in our day to day life. I have no family or anyone to count on. My baby had serious colic and rarely slept. And finally I get this highly recommended nanny and a new job, and I cannot f**king relax as something about this woman rubs me the wrong way. And on same note, I feel ridiculous. Who am I to complain? I needed help and I got it but she makes me so uncomfortable but is it me? Am I the crazy unreasonable person?

OP posts:
RandomMess · 19/09/2021 09:11

At the end of the day you don't gel so find a new nanny and give notice.

It's so important that you feel relaxed and comfortable with people living in your home and you don't!

5zeds · 19/09/2021 09:18

You’re not crazy or unreasonable (and as an aside, you get one life you are ALLOWED to choose what to do with it and DON’T have to justify why something does or doesn’t work for you). It’s like going on holiday or choosing a book or a drink. You choose, not dh or friends or anyone else.

Imagine if the nanny turned up on time, made the baby happy, babysat when you wanted to go out and then wasn’t there. Imagine if she just got paid without issue, and didn’t angle for presents or take your charity donations. Imagine if you didn’t know when she was having a bad day become she was a professional at work and didn’t unload on you. Imagine if she praised you for feeding and dragging yourself up from depression and celebrated your new job with and did everything to help make it work.

Now is this employee anything like that?

Sometimes you have to push hard towards the life you want.

Droite · 19/09/2021 09:26

I don't know why you insist on feeling guilty about this. The woman is moody, she keeps asking for advances on her salary, she owes you money she is making no effort to repay, she cadges gifts, she overshares about her family problems - I can't think of any employer who would actually keep someone who does this. Your baby likes her because he sees her a lot, he really won't be harmed by being in the care of a better nanny. There are nannies out there with whom you will gel much better, and who will therefore be better for your baby.

C8H10N4O2 · 19/09/2021 09:26

So I leave whatever I am doing, tend to baby, go back to work and repeat. She doesn't take me seriously.

This jumps out at me along with the comment about helping her adult daughter with the CV so I'm assuming this women is middle aged/older than you.
There is no point in having a nanny if you have to keep stopping work to tend to the baby. Are you going because you can't work if you can hear the baby or because she asks you to? Why are you asking and suggesting she go out rather than saying you need a couple of hours uninterrupted?

You are way too invested in your nanny's life and family. They are an employee not your best mate. You want a cordial, working relationship but not these blurred boundaries.

5zeds · 19/09/2021 09:33

Does your husband know about the loans and presents and that they are pushed for when you are at your lowest?

CliffsofMohair · 19/09/2021 09:34

@pinkgin85

You keep repeating wanting financial independence from your husband, for who you've moved thousands of miles away? Have you gotten any support for your PND at all? Im just wondering if you're still suffering from some post partum anxiety and it's clouding your judgement of your nanny since you say you can't focus on your work because you keep thinking about her? Might be worth seeing your doctor if you haven't already.
You’re in the US? So I imagine feeling the horrifying pressure of being expected to perform in high powered role early in baby’s life as if there is no baby? And you seem to be getting the same pressure also from not-great husband? And you’re emerging from severe PND? (And the Nanny is a bit odd?)

I hope you have access to support for yourself in all of this. Your life sounds like a pressure cooker st the moment.

💐

ElleTheShowaddyWaddyBody · 19/09/2021 10:00

You’re not crazy or unreasonable. Flowers

You’re living with this uncertainty every day, without any other family/friend support the only other person you can talk to is your DH, and he dismisses everything you say, no wonder you’re constantly doubting yourself. This must be so hard and you must feel extremely lonely so I can totally understand why, this job and the probationary period is extremely important to you, it’s where you feel in control the most.

With this in mind and to help you manage your overwhelming feelings, why don’t you think to the future in short bursts.

Think of the current nanny now as being a short term solution, rather than being with you forever. Start to make enquiries now on other agencies, notice period for your current nanny, etc. Once your probationary period is over (how much longer do you have?) or even before, could you maybe interview one nanny each weekend, so as to not feel overwhelmed by this? Therefore giving yourself lots of time to organising a replacement. I wouldn’t speak to your DH about this as he dismisses your feelings at every turn.

Regarding current nanny and the loans, advance in salary, staying at weekends etc. If you think you’re not going to get that loan money back then suggest that during weekdays she could work through a couple of nights if your DD needs settling, rather than you getting up. Tell her you’ll deduct what she owes from the loan each wk.

Tell her you can’t advance her anymore as there is already the loan outstanding and hope she understands. Ask if she’d prefer to be paid weekly? Give her that option if you feel uncomfortable telling her no when she brings up money issues etc.

The weekend issue when she arrives unannounced into your home when she’s only contracted each wk. Again, you’ve let this go a few times so probably now feel like you can’t now bring it up but you need to address this. As another poster suggested, you could leave your key in the door, double lock it or if you feel able, bring it up with her.

I think if you can start making small steps to where you feel in control, no matter how small, then you will start to feel more confident about you as a person and a mother. It’s understandable you doubt yourself at every turn, as your DH dismisses everything you bring up, you have no one else to confide in so no wonder you wonder whether it is you rather than the nanny.

I’ve read the entire thread and imo you are right to feel the way you do.

Regarding the way your DD has bonded with your nanny. She will have this bond again. I’m in the always felt sad when DS moved rooms in the nursery and would have a different key worker the following year. Sometimes it took him a few weeks to settle, then he never looked back. I know it’s a different scenario but our dc can be more resilient than we give them credit for and it’s often us that worries more about change.

As you’re in the US, can you share which area you’re from? There must be other US Mumsnetters who can help regarding the law around notice period, maybe helping to search for other nanny agencies etc

I wish you well, OP and hope this all falls in to place for you. Remember, take little steps so that you don’t feel overwhelmed by any decisions you’ll need to make. Flowers

ElleTheShowaddyWaddyBody · 19/09/2021 10:01

Sorry for the mammoth post Daffodil

saywhatwhatnow · 19/09/2021 10:02

She has a boyfriend /partner/someone so I told her to just enjoy her day and come home at x hour so I could meet my friend for dinner. Why I was unsettled was, she hasn't arrived by time I asked her to come home hence I assumed she was running late. However she had been in the house all along. I never lied in my interview with her. I told her weekdays live in and weekends she could do her own thing aside from when we require babysitting but we pay her as a live in and have added more money as she isn't live in during weekends

You can't dictate when she is and isn't allowed in the house (also her home) though? I think it's just never going to work out between you. Cut your losses now.

Blondeshavemorefun · 19/09/2021 10:04

@C8H10N4O2

So I leave whatever I am doing, tend to baby, go back to work and repeat. She doesn't take me seriously.

This jumps out at me along with the comment about helping her adult daughter with the CV so I'm assuming this women is middle aged/older than you.
There is no point in having a nanny if you have to keep stopping work to tend to the baby. Are you going because you can't work if you can hear the baby or because she asks you to? Why are you asking and suggesting she go out rather than saying you need a couple of hours uninterrupted?

You are way too invested in your nanny's life and family. They are an employee not your best mate. You want a cordial, working relationship but not these blurred boundaries.

I agree. Leave the nanny to it

That’s her job

Fine if you are bf. Bf baby

Then let nanny feed baby meals etx

ElleTheShowaddyWaddyBody · 19/09/2021 10:05

And I’d try and leave the house more during your working day. Start to leave some distance between the two of you so that she earns what she’s paid to do.

Once you’re out of the house, working somewhere else, it might help you to clear your head more and you never know, you might find friends this way too.

Blondeshavemorefun · 19/09/2021 10:07

And finally I get this highly recommended nanny and a new job, and I cannot fking relax as something about this woman rubs me the wrong way. And on same note, I feel ridiculous

Who recommended her ?

She’s the wrong fit for you if rubs you up the wrong way

LindaLooky · 19/09/2021 10:12

I had pnd and a partner who completely opted out of home life so can sympathise. It was horrendous and I was very unhappy.

I think you've realised yanbu and that a new nanny is needed. Good luck in finding one, be crystal clear to the candidates on what you need - excellent childcare is the obvious need but you need space to work and privacy during family time.

It sounds like a good arrangement for a nanny, although I'm confused cos it sounds like they finish work at 2 but then need to stay around in case you get a call. Is that right and what would they do during that post-2pm time?

Ssmiler · 19/09/2021 10:21

This isn’t an issue with you. There is an issue with the nanny. She is a lot more aware of her behaviour than you think - asking for a loan when you’re vulnerable so she knows you’ll be more dependent on her at those points, repeated oversharing about her financial dependence on you, to make you feel you have to keep her and specifically when you raised the issue of her appearing “off” at times. The moods and strange reaction and passive aggressive staring when you make a reasonable request, abusing your boundaries by coming into your home at weekends when that is not the arrangement and she is paid extra not to.

Because you’ve had such a tough time recently - and I feel so bad for how hard it has been for you - and because your DH is unkindly using your previous illness to dismiss any valid feelings you have about anything as “dramatic” behaviour, you are now full of self doubt about your own entirely valid discomfort with this nanny.

This lady may be good with your baby but that is not the whole picture and not the only requirement in her role. She is there to give you support and help - to lighten your load not add to it - she needs to also be kind to you and work to build a mutually supportive relationship. She is not doing this but instead is playing on your vulnerability and kindness and is adding to your stress.

Please don’t doubt yourself. This isn’t a problem with you. Your feelings are entirely valid. Even if there weren’t all these issues with her and it was just a case of not gelling with her, your feelings would still be valid. Make the decision today that when your probation is over you will replace her. Then you can park it and focus on your probation as the decision is made. You don’t need to deal with it now or think about it any more. I hope that will lighten your mental load a little for now. She is shrewd and if she senses any cooling she will play on your good nature again. Ignore it. She is not your responsibility and you need support not more demands and difficulties to deal with.

Remember that if a baby is in nursery they move rooms throughout their time there with different carers in each room - they adjust very quickly as they move from little baby room to big babies to toddlers etc - so your baby will be just fine with a nanny change. I’m sorry this nanny has made things so difficult for you.

You’ve got this. Tell your DH when you are ready that you will be replacing her. A clear calm decision - I will be replacing the nanny after my probation and may need some help to do so. No debate, no discussion don’t get drawn into it. He doesn’t deserve a detailed discussion if he is going to dismiss your feelings as you being dramatic.

I hope that if you make this decision today to be actioned after your probation, it gives you some peace of mind and the strength to somehow ignore the unacceptable behaviours until then. She has been taking advantage of your vulnerability. Don’t feel bad.

Good luck op. You’ve got this. You sound like an amazing mum too by the way. This will get easier Flowers

Marshmallow91 · 19/09/2021 10:24

Oh sweetheart, you have had such a horrible time. I can feel your pain through your writing.

Your nanny needs to go. Don't give headspace to your daughter settling with another nanny because she will. She's young enough that she will attach to anyone who is affectionate and warm with her.

You need to make your work a priority in your head right now. Once your working day is over, then shower your little girl in kisses and cuddles. I put my little girl into nursery and at first she was upset to be without me, but after a few times she was OK and now she absolutely loves it!

Your baby will always know mummy will come "back" for her.

Sort that first, because this nanny isn't working and you need to tell your husband "I'm getting another nanny, this one isn't working out". If he argues, then use his words against him - "you said a nanny was for my benefit, this one isn't working for me so I'm hiring another, better one."

Don't ask his advice because he's just not there to help.

Start disconnecting from him, because once your job is established, you need a divorce. He doesn't help, or respect you. You deserve so much more than what he is offering.

In the meantime, get to some baby groups or actually go to a spa etc on your days off and meet new friends. Or even work colleagues. You should have your own support network outside of the home. It'll take time, but you sound like such a lovely person it won't take you too long.

I've suffered from severe depression most of my life. It can be absolutely horrendous. You have my sympathy. I've also got a two year old little girl with big social issues so I understand your desire to want her to be safe and comfortable around someone.

I'm here if you ever need to talk, and I mean that. Flowers

AryaStarkWolf · 19/09/2021 11:58

So you gave her the day off and told her to stay out of the house for the day? I don't think you should be telling her she can't be in the house on her days off if that's where she lives. Sorry for sticking to that point obviously if it's not working out then just let her go, I just thought that particular part of the story is odd and unfair to her

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