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To think the royal family are a bloody embarrassment

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MariaAngustias · 12/09/2021 09:53

Just that - why are we paying for this bunch when we could be spending the money on essential services? Let the Queen continue then after her just get rid of the whole bloody lot of them. We have and alleged paedo, a whinging multi millionaire in his 30's moaning constantly, an allegedly corrupt heir to the throne meeting dodgy russians for money....... just go, enough. Seriously - this is all Jeremy Kyle for poshos.

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Ribblechips · 12/09/2021 15:12

It doesn’t sound like she was a trafficked child forced to have sex with him.

You do know that some of the children who were sexually abused by older men in the Rotherham child exploitation scandal actually didn't realise they were victims? Some had been so neglected as children that they thought men offering them chocolates and tech gifts in exchange for sex had actually been treating them well? It didn't stop it being a crime.

ponyexpress22 · 12/09/2021 15:17

You sound a bit whiny yourself op!

And bitter

Because she finds the whole concept of a monarchy wrong? Shock

Livingtothefull · 12/09/2021 15:25

Even if we accept that Prince Andrew knew nothing about JE's criminal activities at the time he met Ms Giuffre - even if he is indeed innocent of what he is accused of - you would think he would be doing everything he could to engage with the authorities to assist the victims in obtaining justice. Actually, he would have done it years ago.

Instead he has been dodging and evading, worrying about his own skin rather than the sufferings of the real victims. And the Royal Family have colluded with him in doing it. To use the security services - which WE pay for - to hide behind, is just unforgivable.

I'm afraid that whatever monarchists may think or wish, the fact that the family whose role is to represent us behaves like this, reflects very poorly on us all. I want to be proud of my country but it is hard to feel very much pride right now.

Livingtothefull · 12/09/2021 15:27

@ponyexpress22

You sound a bit whiny yourself op!

And bitter

Because she finds the whole concept of a monarchy wrong? Shock

Agreed. I don't read any bitterness at all in the op, just entirely justifiable anger which many of us (and everyone really should) share.
RubySlippers123 · 12/09/2021 15:30

@MariaAngustias

Just that - why are we paying for this bunch when we could be spending the money on essential services? Let the Queen continue then after her just get rid of the whole bloody lot of them. We have and alleged paedo, a whinging multi millionaire in his 30's moaning constantly, an allegedly corrupt heir to the throne meeting dodgy russians for money....... just go, enough. Seriously - this is all Jeremy Kyle for poshos.
Don't forget the racist Aunty!
TheKeatingFive · 12/09/2021 15:31

I haven’t read the full thread, but lets be absolutely clear that the Crowm estates don’t belong to the Windsor family, but a legal entity called ‘The Crown’. They are de facto public money and the Windsors have no personal claim to them.

RVN123 · 12/09/2021 15:38

[quote TatianaBis]@JeffGoldblumsGlasses

The UK will never be a republic. It's had a monarch since its inception this will continue.

As did all the other countries that became republics. Confused[/quote]
Agreed.
We don't have to turn up with flaming torches and pitchforks nowadays. We have a democratic referendum by the people of this country to decide on the future (if any) of the monarchy.

Rosebel · 12/09/2021 15:40

@Comedycook

I find William and Catherine annoying with them saying constantly that they want to give their children a normal childhood. Yeah right because we all have 2 homes with a nanny and acres of space to play in

What can they do? Move to a three bed semi, send the kids to a local state school and get a childminder to do wrap around care whilst they attend official engagements?! I think they seem to be doing the best they can to give them a normal life within the confines of the institution.

Well they could do that I suppose. I was thinking more along the lines of they could stop saying they are giving them a normal childhood. It just makes them sound like they don't have a clue about the real world which to be fair they probably don't (especially Prince William).
TheKeatingFive · 12/09/2021 15:41

I wonder what justification pro-monarchists apply to support their beliefs? Are they still harbouring the idea that the royals are divinely appointed by God?

queenofarles · 12/09/2021 16:02

I’ve always wondered how did Virginia enter the U.K. and France as a minor , or more like how did she leave the U. S? Even on private planes you still need to show any consent documents.

Years ago when her story came out I remember reading that she asked for that photo with Andrew to be taken to show her mother, so her story is more reliable than his , she has proof . but I believe PA is not the only one Guilty . where were her parents when all of this was happening ? she was still a minor and as far as I know not kidnapped by JE? They should be charged with neglect atleast, as they must have known what was going on.

Not meaning to derail but I’m genuinely intrigued by this bit of the whole story, there are so many people involved , its not just Jeffrey and Andrew it’s so much bigger , powerful people knew what was happening and decided to facilitate the grooming of minors.

TartanJumper · 12/09/2021 16:08

What modern offering do we have exactly for tourists to flock to this country?

Ignoring the historic Royal palaces for the sake of argument:
London (Museums, art galleries, attractions for kids and adults, loads to do )
Edinburgh (Pretty much same)
Scottish Highlands
York (and the shambles)
Liverpool and the RA docks
Belfast and it's history and museums
Beautiful Wales
The Wye Valley
The National Parks

Practically everywhere has something to draw tourists in that's not RF related.

TatianaBis · 12/09/2021 16:14

Epstein certainly had a wide network of contacts and young women.

What I find particularly grim is that Andrew seemed to hang out with Epstein quite a bit. From the accounts of Epstein’s MO from the girls and young women involved and from ex staff and associates, the likelihood of Guiffre being the only girl Andrew was involved with is almost nil. She’s the only one with the balls to object.

TatianaBis · 12/09/2021 16:15

That was to @queenofarles

AuntieMarys · 12/09/2021 16:17

Inbred and outdated. Queenie and her fave son.Time for a revolution!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 12/09/2021 16:25

@TatianaBis

Epstein certainly had a wide network of contacts and young women.

What I find particularly grim is that Andrew seemed to hang out with Epstein quite a bit. From the accounts of Epstein’s MO from the girls and young women involved and from ex staff and associates, the likelihood of Guiffre being the only girl Andrew was involved with is almost nil. She’s the only one with the balls to object.

That woman has some GUTS. This whole issue has been rugswept many times since she brought her original complaint but she has never wavered. Her story and actions have been consistent, she's tenacious, and she's evidently not shutting up or going away.

Compare that with the cowardly Windsor as he lies, sweats, dodges and evades. The actions of both parties could well speak louder than their words when it comes to an indication of what might be the actual truth of this matter.

Virginia Giuffre possesses more courage than that craven coward could ever hope to aspire to. I have nothing but admiration for her. I also hope she is safe.

SusieBob · 12/09/2021 16:31

YANBU. Sooner we get rid of the money hording leeches the better.

Blossomtoes · 12/09/2021 16:31

@TheKeatingFive

I wonder what justification pro-monarchists apply to support their beliefs? Are they still harbouring the idea that the royals are divinely appointed by God?
In my case it’s weary reluctance to see a country that’s already on its knees go through all expense and trouble that disentangling all the constitutional ramifications would cause. We haven’t even begun the process caused by Brexit and the last thing we need is another major national upheaval.

Just let me die with the monarchy in place - I’m old so the wait probably won’t be long - and republicans can create as much chaos as they like once I’ve gone.

Temphelp · 12/09/2021 16:39

Andrew is an abomination. Utterly disgusting that a sex offender is allowed to roam around disguised as a prince. I don’t know why people don’t see the Queen to be complicit? He is HER son and she is the RULING monarch, does she have no power over him at all? Or doesn’t Andrew have any respect for poor old mum?

queenofarles · 12/09/2021 16:52

Well I’m sure Many are Glad JE is dead. compared with some of the names associated with JE , Royal or not Andrew is nothing.

KarenofSparta · 12/09/2021 17:12

@Temphelp

Andrew is an abomination. Utterly disgusting that a sex offender is allowed to roam around disguised as a prince. I don’t know why people don’t see the Queen to be complicit? He is HER son and she is the RULING monarch, does she have no power over him at all? Or doesn’t Andrew have any respect for poor old mum?
I do wonder how much truth there is in him being her favourite child and so she protects him.

The elderly people I know that have a favourite child do act like this. In the sense that once people reach a certain age they're less likely to admit to it. No reason why Her Maj would act differently.

As sickening as it is that generation are far less likely to see the trafficked girls as victims.

JudgeJ · 12/09/2021 17:14

@Itsnotover

His problem is that the jury of public opinion has already judged him guilty based on no evidence other than one photo and the unsubstantiated word of some woman. No fan of his, I know people who've been involved on a work level and he's an entitled brat but I do feel he can never get a fair hearing

‘Some woman’? Not a nice way to refer to a victim. There is a great deal of evidence about what he was doing with Epstein. He thinks he’s above the law.

'victim'? So you were on the jury too, thanks for proving the point.
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QuizzlyBear · 12/09/2021 17:34

We've bred ourselves a nation of cap-doffers and boot-lickers - I truly believe that Brits are only happy if their 'betters' are telling them what to do.

What else could explain the Tories being voted in repeatedly, despite being utter twats to the average working man/woman?

Why else would we HAPPILY accept the concept that a single family is somehow deserving (purely by virtue of their birth) of their position at the very top of society's heap? No qualifications, no questions, just people we are meant to curtsy and bow to. Bizarre...

ancientgran · 12/09/2021 17:44

@SecretSpAD

,She has given decades of faultless public service

You mean smiling and waving at the same time and occasionally making a speech to the plebs whilst sat in one of her many luxurious homes?

Be fair she had to entertain Trump for a weekend (I think it was a weekend) and I think that is over and above anything I would expect of another human being.
lazylinguist · 12/09/2021 17:51

She has given decades of faultless public service

And yet plenty of countries appear to manage without a monarch. What public service has she done which we couldn't have done without, or which could (and would in other countries) have been carried out by a democratically elected or properly recruited employed functionary?