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AIBU moving away from DP’s DD

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Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 13:05

DP has been offered a new job which is an excellent opportunity for him, it’s a really good career move as well as paying an enormous amount more. The problem is that it’s based 300 miles away from DP’s DD. She’s 5, her parents split 3.5 years ago and DP and I have been together for 2.5 years. We have no other children and it’s very unlikely that we ever will.

We currently have DSD 1 night in the week and every other weekend, there’s also ad hoc other nights here and there when her mum has plans. DP and I have discussed how things could work if we were to move and so far the plan would be that he would travel back at least every 4 weeks (he’ll try and arrange it for every 3 though) and have her at his parents thur-mon. They both have bedrooms at theirs and DSD is very used to spending time there. Then she would come to us for the school holidays.

There is no doubt that taking the job will give DP the chance to provide more for his DD. He pays his ex well already (which he absolutely should) but this does mean that we are struggling to move forward with our lives. We private rent and are stuck in a tiny 1 bed flat, I sleep on the sofa when DSD stays and she sleeps in bed with DP. That obviously can’t go on for much longer. Moving will give us all more space, a proper garden, more money for activities, more money we can save for her, in future we’ll be able to buy a house that will eventually go to her and we can give her mum more for her day to day care.

If it comes to it I’m excited to go, I’ve always been a bit nomadic and enjoy adventure.

DP’s ex is going to go spare if/when he brings it up and I understand she has a right to be consulted and pissed off but are we being ridiculous to consider it? She has twice moved over an hour away for new relationships (that ended a short while after) and DP has just had to accept it and put in the extra effort to collect/drop off DD for access. It’s always him putting in the effort because ex doesn’t drive. She is an oddly controlling woman and kicks up a fuss over things that don’t even matter, so heaven knows how she’ll react to this. Example: she’s pregnant and we asked her the due date because we wanted to book a holiday and obviously don’t want to book in the weeks surrounding the birth as we expect to be needed to have DSD while she recovers/bonds in peace etc. Would she tell us? No. Cue incoming barrage about how it’s not our business and she doesn’t need our help etc etc. We’ve guessed and booked anyway but that’ll rear it’s head again.

Nothing is set, he is also in talks for a job much closer but we are genuinely torn. I’d hate to think we’re putting money over time with DSD but this is the real world and if you want things you have to go and get them.

OP posts:
JustLyra · 11/09/2021 18:34

@Blueroses99

I’m really surprised by the responses here. A typical arrangement of EOW is 4 days a month, and the OP is proposing Thur-Mon every 3-4 weeks which is still 4 days a month, plus part of the holidays.

Sounds like a good opportunity and the DH doesn’t have to do it forever, it could be worth doing even for a year or two for the experience and to save the funds to buy a bigger place near the DD.

Expecting the DD to do a 600 mile round trip EOW would be madness but that isn’t being proposed as DH would do all the travelling.

Looks like there a few options OP, work through them and work out what’s best for your family. The distance does not need to damage the father-daughter relationship irreparably.

Typical arrangements are EOW and an evening in the week - which is what they currently do as well as ad hoc nights.

The proposal would completely change the regularity and closeness of the relationship. To not benefit of the child, hence the reactions.

It’s walking away from anything other than once a month contact.

Dissimilitude · 11/09/2021 18:36

If the money is THAT much more, I'd do it, but only if I could afford to travel that 300 miles more frequently than once a month.

Plenty of people work in my industry spend half their time in London (which is a lot more than 300 miles away from where I am).

It's less the distance, it's the infrequency of coming back.

Maskedstranger · 11/09/2021 18:36

@icedcoffees

It’s 25k more than he is on now and the position he’s worked for for 15 years! It is very difficult to just disregard that kind of money and to not even try to find a way that we could make it work.

Why doesn't he approach his boss and see if he can negotiate a pay rise?

Yes, 25k is a good amount of money but a 5yo child has no concept of that. She just wants her dad. And her dad can't move 300 miles away without dumping a good chunk of his responsibilities onto his ex.

Things like: doctors appointments, dentists appointments, sick days, sports days, school plays, the nativity place, INSET days, shopping for school shoes and uniforms, helping with homework, facilitating playdates and after school activities, doing the school run...

How can he do any of those things from 300 miles away?

Sadly, I doubt the dad does many of those things now, when he is local. Most non-resident dads don't, in fact most resident dads don't either. Angry
PineappleMojito · 11/09/2021 18:38

I’ve definitely seen threads on here where a mum has wanted to move far away from an ex partner with the child and been better supported. So it seems for a lot (but not all) posters here, dads can’t move away, but mums can, even though the net effect of reduced contact with the father is the same, it matters more which parent made the decision to move. If mum wants to take the kid further away from dad, cool and not at all damaging. If dad wants to move further away from kid, not cool and very damaging. That’s kinda how I’ve seen it go down. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a thread where a non resident mum wanted to move further away, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t existed.

JustLyra · 11/09/2021 18:41

@PineappleMojito

I’ve definitely seen threads on here where a mum has wanted to move far away from an ex partner with the child and been better supported. So it seems for a lot (but not all) posters here, dads can’t move away, but mums can, even though the net effect of reduced contact with the father is the same, it matters more which parent made the decision to move. If mum wants to take the kid further away from dad, cool and not at all damaging. If dad wants to move further away from kid, not cool and very damaging. That’s kinda how I’ve seen it go down. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a thread where a non resident mum wanted to move further away, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t existed.
The only time I’ve ever seen anyone supported to move away from the other parent was when the other parent wasn’t involved anyway.

Even one thread when the Mum wanted to move away and the Dad saw the kid one Saturday a month had a lot of people bluntly pointing out that she should facilitate that Saturday by doing the travel.

If the mum was moving without the child they’d be lambasted way more than the OP’s DP is getting.

Doggiedementia · 11/09/2021 18:41

That’s a dick move.

I also notice one of the first things you said when you were describing what you did with the little girl was that you spent your money on her.

Chailatteplease · 11/09/2021 18:43

@TeetleTottle

I’m really surprised by the responses here. A typical arrangement of EOW is 4 days a month, and the OP is proposing Thur-Mon every 3-4 weeks which is still 4 days a month, plus part of the holidays.

I think typical arrangements are shocking and I'm amazed that women put up with it. If I split from my children's father he will be having them 50%.

On that basis he is totally unreasonable. Just because he is the non resident parent doesn't mean he gets to move 300miles away. He is still equally responsible.

Agreed. Fathers have 50% rights, they should also have 50% responsibility.
lobsteroll · 11/09/2021 18:44

I'd be questioning why he would be satisfied with only seeing his daughter once a month.

I think it's great on one hand that he wants to earn more to provide for her but not at the expense of spending time with her.

These next few years will pass in a flash and he'll never get this time again with her. It's honestly not worth it for a better job/house/holidays etc. Kids don't care about that stuff, even when they seem like they do and they are asking for this that and the other, deep down they would always choose time with their parents over anything else.

Nayday · 11/09/2021 18:46

I think it's too far to really maintain a relationship. If you met a partner and hadn't moved in together and they moved this distance, this sort of distance would be a deal breaker for a relationship.
In the short term he'll see her but 300 miles (4-6 hours travel) isn't even really a distance that's easily doable in a weekend. For this to work he's going to need to be on good ground with his ex, and have excellent communication.

itsgettingwierd · 11/09/2021 18:51

I'd say if it will help improve dd quality of life too then move.

But...... he needs to stick to EOW.

Whether he drives back Friday evening or flies or train or whatever he needs to keep to the contact. She's about to have a sibling and that can be hard for a child who's has 4 parents attention for a few years without 2 of them moving away at the same time.

C152 · 11/09/2021 18:52

This is very difficult, OP, but I'm afraid I agree with many other posters - it is unreasonable to move so far away from a child who is still so young. And whilst, yes, if you want something, you have to go and get it, I don't share the view that you put yourself before your child. (I know some people do, it's just not my choice.) I can fully appreciate the extra money would come in handy for all, but she won't be this little forever. If it were me, I would hang on in the lower paid job until my child was older, and look for another opportunity then.

The child's mum moving is really neither here nor there. Her decisions - whether they were poorly thought through or not - shouldn't factor into why your partner chooses to move (if he does).

Suzi888 · 11/09/2021 18:56

@icedcoffees I do understand what you mean. All I’ll say is that some men can be around all the time and not make it count.
Some people work shifts, get little time at home, others send their children to boarding school. You can have parent who is around, but not ‘present’ and that’s more harmful in my opinion.

CorianderAndCream · 11/09/2021 19:01

I think every 4 weeks is very lax. 300 miles isn't that far. Can't he get the train every other week and take her out?

itsgettingwierd · 11/09/2021 19:02

@PineappleMojito

I’ve definitely seen threads on here where a mum has wanted to move far away from an ex partner with the child and been better supported. So it seems for a lot (but not all) posters here, dads can’t move away, but mums can, even though the net effect of reduced contact with the father is the same, it matters more which parent made the decision to move. If mum wants to take the kid further away from dad, cool and not at all damaging. If dad wants to move further away from kid, not cool and very damaging. That’s kinda how I’ve seen it go down. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a thread where a non resident mum wanted to move further away, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t existed.
I've also seen these.

Often with a suggestion if the father is a good one they'll do all they can to continue seeing their child that the mum is moving away with!

Relationships between child and parents can work whatever the contact is and how much they see them.

I know kids in separated families who see both Laurent's more than. Forces or off shore workers families I know.

Nothing is impossible to work if all parties work together to make it so.

TomatoSquash · 11/09/2021 19:05

Ideal situation if you ask me. Reduced contact with DSD, no getting her dumped on you at weekends or being asked to babysit in an emergency because you’re too far away. And when DP does see her you don’t have to be around.

Iputthetrampintrampoline · 11/09/2021 19:21

Op lots of people make this work,Dads who are away for months on end in the forces,dads who work away on oil rigs,dads who work abroad,It can be done,There is ways round everything,Skype calls where you can all see each other and chat for hours when your not there,It seems its ok for mum to move when ever she feels like it but not for dad? Has to work both ways,.If the little girl was a little older she could be in boarding school not seeing parents for terms at a time. I dont get the hysteria being thrown at you.

Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 19:39

@Doggiedementia

That’s a dick move.

I also notice one of the first things you said when you were describing what you did with the little girl was that you spent your money on her.

I said that In response to being told I wanted her “out of the way”! I defended myself with examples of the responsibility I have taken to make her part of my life too. I also help wash her clothes and cook her meals, I transport her to school and back and I tidy away her toys. Apart from bath and story/bedtime which is always just those two together, I try my best to treat her like I would my own.
These are normal parts of looking after a child which I’m happy to be a part of but it’s not actually my job. I do them because I enjoy her and dp and I are a team.
OP posts:
ladymalfoy · 11/09/2021 19:52

When I was 7 my Dad went to France for two weeks.
He came back after the first week because he missed me and Dsis so much.
He and Mum were divorced too.
Knowing my Dad came back early from a holiday because he missed us so much made a huge impression on me and was the reason I married my husband.
He came back early from a holiday early in our relationship because he missed me too.
I'm going to call my Dad now because your post and your DP idea has upset me so much.
300 miles away?
Christ alive.

AdriannaP · 11/09/2021 20:19

OP what is this fixation with money? Can’t you really not understand that for a small child quality time with a parent is more important than that he potentially pays her university or her wedding in 15-20 years. By then they might already be estranged because she hardly saw him in her childhood.

You want the adventure and a bigger place and better lifestyle- I get it but don’t try and pretend this also benefits his DD. You have not even addressed the possibility that DGP might not want to or even be able to host them for the next 13 years AND that you basically now leave the majority of parenting to the ex. A real dick move if you ask me and I wouldn’t be impressed if I was her.

NerrSnerr · 11/09/2021 20:29

I think it's too far. He may be able to provide more financially but their relationship will suffer.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 11/09/2021 21:07

That is utterly shit. The mere fact he applied is piss poor.
300 miles? My adult daughter and granddaughter lives 120 miles away. It takes anything from 2.5 hrs to 4 hrs. Each way. Terrible on a Friday.
Literally he needs to think about the message he is sending to that tot. Kids don't care about future homes and money. Frankly they want Mummy and Daddy.

Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 21:23

@AdriannaP

OP what is this fixation with money? Can’t you really not understand that for a small child quality time with a parent is more important than that he potentially pays her university or her wedding in 15-20 years. By then they might already be estranged because she hardly saw him in her childhood.

You want the adventure and a bigger place and better lifestyle- I get it but don’t try and pretend this also benefits his DD. You have not even addressed the possibility that DGP might not want to or even be able to host them for the next 13 years AND that you basically now leave the majority of parenting to the ex. A real dick move if you ask me and I wouldn’t be impressed if I was her.

“Estranged” is a bit dramatic.

This isn’t exactly my idea but yes I would like to live more comfortably, shoot me. We live in an expensive place, we both work hard but have nothing spare and I want more for all of us…we’re in the same position as everyone else with rent and bills going up but our money not…this is too good an opportunity to not even sound out and think about….It’s far from ideal but that is life.

I am reading and taking on board what people say, when people are pointing out the issues I am thinking about if they can be fixed. Keeping the EOW, as has been suggested, is a better idea for example. The personal attacks are not helpful.

I don’t expect the staying with grandparents part to go on for that long. A couple of years at most. It is a huge amount to ask of them but again it’s a conversation. When we can afford 2 bases we would do that.

I said I would be happy to go because I like “adventure” and whatever because I wanted to put across that I wasn’t being pressured into going by him.

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AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 11/09/2021 21:45

It is a huge amount to ask of them

This whole idea is asking a lot from a lot of people.
You need grandparents to facilitate every visit.
You need the mum to facilitate contact and do 95% of the parenting.
You need mum to be happy to lose her holiday time.
You need a five year old to understand why £25k is more important than seeing her regularly and being there when she needs her parent.

BlackTee40 · 11/09/2021 21:51

The mother sounds unstable, moving twice for fly by night relationships, can you go for full custody and take her with you?

NinjaExodus · 11/09/2021 21:55

This is awful.

All round for everyone.

Except maybe you with the pound signs?

Your DP's parents have done their child rearing why on earth should they be beholden to facilitating this arrangement for years on end?

Your DH will miss school plays, sport's days, christmas concerts, sports matches and all the other minituae of raising children.

His poor daugther I just....How would you feel, OP, if your parent moved 300 miles away when you were 5 years old?