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AIBU moving away from DP’s DD

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Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 13:05

DP has been offered a new job which is an excellent opportunity for him, it’s a really good career move as well as paying an enormous amount more. The problem is that it’s based 300 miles away from DP’s DD. She’s 5, her parents split 3.5 years ago and DP and I have been together for 2.5 years. We have no other children and it’s very unlikely that we ever will.

We currently have DSD 1 night in the week and every other weekend, there’s also ad hoc other nights here and there when her mum has plans. DP and I have discussed how things could work if we were to move and so far the plan would be that he would travel back at least every 4 weeks (he’ll try and arrange it for every 3 though) and have her at his parents thur-mon. They both have bedrooms at theirs and DSD is very used to spending time there. Then she would come to us for the school holidays.

There is no doubt that taking the job will give DP the chance to provide more for his DD. He pays his ex well already (which he absolutely should) but this does mean that we are struggling to move forward with our lives. We private rent and are stuck in a tiny 1 bed flat, I sleep on the sofa when DSD stays and she sleeps in bed with DP. That obviously can’t go on for much longer. Moving will give us all more space, a proper garden, more money for activities, more money we can save for her, in future we’ll be able to buy a house that will eventually go to her and we can give her mum more for her day to day care.

If it comes to it I’m excited to go, I’ve always been a bit nomadic and enjoy adventure.

DP’s ex is going to go spare if/when he brings it up and I understand she has a right to be consulted and pissed off but are we being ridiculous to consider it? She has twice moved over an hour away for new relationships (that ended a short while after) and DP has just had to accept it and put in the extra effort to collect/drop off DD for access. It’s always him putting in the effort because ex doesn’t drive. She is an oddly controlling woman and kicks up a fuss over things that don’t even matter, so heaven knows how she’ll react to this. Example: she’s pregnant and we asked her the due date because we wanted to book a holiday and obviously don’t want to book in the weeks surrounding the birth as we expect to be needed to have DSD while she recovers/bonds in peace etc. Would she tell us? No. Cue incoming barrage about how it’s not our business and she doesn’t need our help etc etc. We’ve guessed and booked anyway but that’ll rear it’s head again.

Nothing is set, he is also in talks for a job much closer but we are genuinely torn. I’d hate to think we’re putting money over time with DSD but this is the real world and if you want things you have to go and get them.

OP posts:
candlelightsatdawn · 11/09/2021 17:26

I want to be considerate when I say this but you know I think this wrong. I suspect you know it's wrong in your heart but at the end of the day kids come first and I'm a step mum.

Yes you can buy her a car, house deposit ect when she's older but speaking as a child who's family did exactly that, it was difficult when I was young, it lead to me never seeing them as I got older because I simply didn't have that bond. I also wanted to see my pals, have a normal teenage life without having to spend few days to travel see someone who ultimately buggered off.

I also took the money and ran and unlimitedly my step mum paid the price as my DD felt guilty and blamed her for splitting his loyalties. I didn't blame my sm btw I liked her. I blamed him.

As a parent I wouldn't consider this tbh.

PineappleMojito · 11/09/2021 17:30

It’s not ideal, but also, it’s life. If you’re financially struggling where you live now, I can understand the need to move for work. I do think you’d have had more support here if the gender was reversed tbh, sometimes on MN it feels like fathers can’t win. She is young though and going from the contact you have with her now to once a month will likely be very tough on the relationship. I can also understand the mum not being too pleased as she won’t get much help if kiddo is poorly, etc. My dad moved 300 miles from me for work - I understand it had to be done, but it did mean he was a much less active part of my life and even less so once he remarried and had more kids. We have an ok relationship as adults, but we aren’t as close as my mum and I are and I do think that distance has something to do with it. I know he loves me, and I don’t resent my half siblings at all. He made some colossal mistakes raising them too even though he was present, so it doesn’t necessarily follow that being present all the time = good parent and prolonged absence = bad parent. My dad didn’t have a lot of patience, particularly with the tween and teen years. Perhaps I was better off, in some ways.

It’s like everything isn’t it - there will be some aspects that might work well (quality time in the holidays) and some that won’t (not easy to get back quickly if something is wrong).

LivingDeadGirlUK · 11/09/2021 17:31

OP are your parents divorced? Mine aren't and I can't even start to imagine growing up seeing my dad once a month in exchange for a car or a bit of cash. His daughter is 5! that's 13 years for your partner to start saving for a car, he could put away £10 a month for her and she would have enough for a car when she turned 18.

If having extra money is so important then why has it taken someone to offer him a job 300 miles away to raise this? Why hasn't he been looking for a better paying job that isn't 300 miles away?

Honestly my partner has kids from his previous marriage and I usually think MN comes down pretty harsh on step parents/non resident parents but this is just you trying to convince yourself its not a shitty thing to do. Sorry but it is.

MattyGroves · 11/09/2021 17:31

It’s not about fucking off and expecting his ex to fill the gaps, he’s never been like that

It's comments like this that make me think you've not thought it through because the ex absolutely will have to fill some gaps. Setting aside the extra night a week and extra weekend a month she will have to do - which is regular support she currently gets that won't be compensated for by extra holiday time - there's so many little things that will all add up. She will have to do every dentist appointment, doctors appointment, as won't be feasible for him to travel to where she is registered. Any sudden illnesses, he won't be able to help cover as it would take him so long to travel. Parents evenings, prize givings, nativity plays, none of that likely to be feasible. These are absolutely gaps that his ex would have to fill. On top of having a new baby.

AcrossthePond55 · 11/09/2021 17:32

Incidentally that is the arrangement that the colleague has, he left his wife and kids here, rents something there and comes back to the family home when he can. They are far more financially able to do that though

@Dinodoodle Would there be a possibility of DP and his friend sharing 'digs' and you and he not having to move? If it was financially sensible for you and him, it would also save his friend some money, too.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 11/09/2021 17:32

If he moved and rented a room and saw you for three and a half days a month would you be happy?

Naunet · 11/09/2021 17:39

I do think you’d have had more support here if the gender was reversed tbh, sometimes on MN it feels like fathers can’t win

Really? You think a mother moving 300 miles away and seeing her children once a month, would get more support? I can’t imagine that to be honest.

bogoffmda · 11/09/2021 17:42

That arrangement will last till you have children then DSD will be history and you will be on here - bemoaning Ex does not drive, you do not want him to go so soon aftr the birth, can DSD not come for two-three months whilst you bond as a new family, cost of petrol etc etc etc.

This has been on this forum so many times and no matter what way you put it - he is abandoning his child.

My EX moved 100 miles away - on a Friday in rush hour that could turn into a 3 hr trip down and 2 hr back for me to take them because he could not do it. So thethought of his EX - if she could - doing hald the travelling!!!!!

ShingleBeach · 11/09/2021 17:44

Can he really be off work Thu, Fri and Mon once every 3 weeks?

I think 300 miles is way too far and will affect the relationship between him and her.

I would have been desperate had I been apart from my children for three and a half weeks. Sad

MattyGroves · 11/09/2021 17:47

Oh and if he is taking 3 days of leave every month, he can't have that much left for school holidays so will he end up with her for longer then anyway?

Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 17:56

@LivingDeadGirlUK

OP are your parents divorced? Mine aren't and I can't even start to imagine growing up seeing my dad once a month in exchange for a car or a bit of cash. His daughter is 5! that's 13 years for your partner to start saving for a car, he could put away £10 a month for her and she would have enough for a car when she turned 18.

If having extra money is so important then why has it taken someone to offer him a job 300 miles away to raise this? Why hasn't he been looking for a better paying job that isn't 300 miles away?

Honestly my partner has kids from his previous marriage and I usually think MN comes down pretty harsh on step parents/non resident parents but this is just you trying to convince yourself its not a shitty thing to do. Sorry but it is.

They are yes. My mum moved us all really far away and I only saw my dad on the holidays. I always really enjoyed those trips and looked forward to them, our relationship is good….I didn’t want to mention that for obvious reasons. How it was for me doesn’t matter and has got nothing to do with this decision. DP’s parents are still happily married.

He has been planning on finding a new job here, he hasn’t been “looking for jobs” that far away. His old boss who’s now moved on heard DP was looking and contacted him to discuss this far away job. It’s 25k more than he is on now and the position he’s worked for for 15 years! It is very difficult to just disregard that kind of money and to not even try to find a way that we could make it work.

It’s not all about money but it is also not as simple as “he’s a shit dad”

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esloquehay · 11/09/2021 18:01

300 miles? Jesus. My ex husband lives 160 miles away and only sees our twin 3.5 year olds once a month for 24 hours.
I do wonder how Mon-Thurs would work in the long term for DSD. It's next to no contact, but it's better than nothing, I guess? 🤷
If I were in your position, I'd want to move and take life forward! I wouldn't want to be held back by the existence of DSD.
But, the actual Dad? Of course he is happy to consider moving 300 miles away, as he does none of the grunt work and just gets to do the fun stuff, like all NRP without a 50/50 custody agreement.
Yeah, that move would really fuck with that little girl's head. But, you do what's best for you in the 'long term', as 5 year olds totally have the capacity to think ahead. 🙄

icedcoffees · 11/09/2021 18:06

[quote Suzi888]@icedcoffees you don’t know that. You don’t know her parents financial circumstances or anything about her life.
I’m the high earner in my HH, not DH. If he left, financially I’d be absolutely fine. 💪🏼 So would my child.[/quote]
I'm wasn't talking about finances though. I'm talking about time.

The PP couldn't have travelled via plane EOW without her mum facilitating it somehow - with airport runs and handing her over to the airline staff etc. Her dad also couldn't move hours away without her mum picking up the pieces at home.

Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 18:09

@bogoffmda

That arrangement will last till you have children then DSD will be history and you will be on here - bemoaning Ex does not drive, you do not want him to go so soon aftr the birth, can DSD not come for two-three months whilst you bond as a new family, cost of petrol etc etc etc.

This has been on this forum so many times and no matter what way you put it - he is abandoning his child.

My EX moved 100 miles away - on a Friday in rush hour that could turn into a 3 hr trip down and 2 hr back for me to take them because he could not do it. So thethought of his EX - if she could - doing hald the travelling!!!!!

Ive already said we won’t be having kids, baring some kind of medical miracle. If children were an option for the future I don’t think we would consider moving because that is too much like running off to start a “new family” which is not what we want.
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BungleandGeorge · 11/09/2021 18:11

@Naunet

I do think you’d have had more support here if the gender was reversed tbh, sometimes on MN it feels like fathers can’t win

Really? You think a mother moving 300 miles away and seeing her children once a month, would get more support? I can’t imagine that to be honest.

I know what a joke, people would be much harsher on a mother moving 300 miles away from her child
icedcoffees · 11/09/2021 18:13

It’s 25k more than he is on now and the position he’s worked for for 15 years! It is very difficult to just disregard that kind of money and to not even try to find a way that we could make it work.

Why doesn't he approach his boss and see if he can negotiate a pay rise?

Yes, 25k is a good amount of money but a 5yo child has no concept of that. She just wants her dad. And her dad can't move 300 miles away without dumping a good chunk of his responsibilities onto his ex.

Things like: doctors appointments, dentists appointments, sick days, sports days, school plays, the nativity place, INSET days, shopping for school shoes and uniforms, helping with homework, facilitating playdates and after school activities, doing the school run...

How can he do any of those things from 300 miles away?

Ginger1982 · 11/09/2021 18:16

@icedcoffees

It’s 25k more than he is on now and the position he’s worked for for 15 years! It is very difficult to just disregard that kind of money and to not even try to find a way that we could make it work.

Why doesn't he approach his boss and see if he can negotiate a pay rise?

Yes, 25k is a good amount of money but a 5yo child has no concept of that. She just wants her dad. And her dad can't move 300 miles away without dumping a good chunk of his responsibilities onto his ex.

Things like: doctors appointments, dentists appointments, sick days, sports days, school plays, the nativity place, INSET days, shopping for school shoes and uniforms, helping with homework, facilitating playdates and after school activities, doing the school run...

How can he do any of those things from 300 miles away?

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AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 11/09/2021 18:20

@Naunet

I do think you’d have had more support here if the gender was reversed tbh, sometimes on MN it feels like fathers can’t win

Really? You think a mother moving 300 miles away and seeing her children once a month, would get more support? I can’t imagine that to be honest.

I’d bet my life savings on those posters imagining that the mum would be taking the child with her. It won’t even occur to them the difference between a dad moving 300 miles away from their child and a mum moving 300 miles away with their child.

Because women are expected to do it all and be the default parent.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 11/09/2021 18:21

@Dinodoodle I think that probably helps the justification in your mind, my partner is in a similar situation where his parents divorced but he spent holidays with his Dad, they have a great relationship. Like I said I can't imagine it at all but that's based on my own upbringing.

But is your partner genuinely able to facilitate these monthly visits and holidays? Surely he is going to have to take a lot of unpaid leave so how does that effect the salary? Will his ex even agree to it as she then misses out on the 'fun' time?

Blueroses99 · 11/09/2021 18:23

I’m really surprised by the responses here. A typical arrangement of EOW is 4 days a month, and the OP is proposing Thur-Mon every 3-4 weeks which is still 4 days a month, plus part of the holidays.

Sounds like a good opportunity and the DH doesn’t have to do it forever, it could be worth doing even for a year or two for the experience and to save the funds to buy a bigger place near the DD.

Expecting the DD to do a 600 mile round trip EOW would be madness but that isn’t being proposed as DH would do all the travelling.

Looks like there a few options OP, work through them and work out what’s best for your family. The distance does not need to damage the father-daughter relationship irreparably.

Chailatteplease · 11/09/2021 18:26

It’s beyond selfish to even consider this. I can’t abide people who don’t put their children’s well-being first. You don’t just get to drop your responsibilities because of something you want to do. Disgusting.

Also, you’re wrong OP. People wouldn’t be shouting “you go girl” to the mother if she were proposing leaving her daughter for the majority of the month. You can’t begin to understand this, not being a parent yourself.

user1471442488 · 11/09/2021 18:27

Look, make your excuses and do what you clearly want to do.

If you can both live with the fact that he chose money over his child and that she’ll feel abandoned and let down then crack on. You can keep protesting but he’s a shit dad and you’re a selfish person. I love adventure ffs. Poor little girl…

Gazelda · 11/09/2021 18:29

It sounds like a great opportunity which will have many benefits for your DP, you and his DD in the future.

However, I'm afraid it's just not the right time.

She's 5
Her parents split when she was a toddler
She moved away with her DM moved twice and then moved back again
Her DF met a new partner
She's started school during a pandemic
There's a new sibling on the way
Relations between her parents aren't easy
I presume her DM has a new partner? Has she had any other BFs between the split from your DP?

That's too much for a child to experience without being affected. A 300mile move will not have a positive impact on her right now.

TeetleTottle · 11/09/2021 18:29

I’m really surprised by the responses here. A typical arrangement of EOW is 4 days a month, and the OP is proposing Thur-Mon every 3-4 weeks which is still 4 days a month, plus part of the holidays.

I think typical arrangements are shocking and I'm amazed that women put up with it. If I split from my children's father he will be having them 50%.

On that basis he is totally unreasonable. Just because he is the non resident parent doesn't mean he gets to move 300miles away. He is still equally responsible.

ittakes2 · 11/09/2021 18:31

I think you will have to get the mum to agree with the change in care and it sounds unlikely don't you think?

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