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AIBU moving away from DP’s DD

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Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 13:05

DP has been offered a new job which is an excellent opportunity for him, it’s a really good career move as well as paying an enormous amount more. The problem is that it’s based 300 miles away from DP’s DD. She’s 5, her parents split 3.5 years ago and DP and I have been together for 2.5 years. We have no other children and it’s very unlikely that we ever will.

We currently have DSD 1 night in the week and every other weekend, there’s also ad hoc other nights here and there when her mum has plans. DP and I have discussed how things could work if we were to move and so far the plan would be that he would travel back at least every 4 weeks (he’ll try and arrange it for every 3 though) and have her at his parents thur-mon. They both have bedrooms at theirs and DSD is very used to spending time there. Then she would come to us for the school holidays.

There is no doubt that taking the job will give DP the chance to provide more for his DD. He pays his ex well already (which he absolutely should) but this does mean that we are struggling to move forward with our lives. We private rent and are stuck in a tiny 1 bed flat, I sleep on the sofa when DSD stays and she sleeps in bed with DP. That obviously can’t go on for much longer. Moving will give us all more space, a proper garden, more money for activities, more money we can save for her, in future we’ll be able to buy a house that will eventually go to her and we can give her mum more for her day to day care.

If it comes to it I’m excited to go, I’ve always been a bit nomadic and enjoy adventure.

DP’s ex is going to go spare if/when he brings it up and I understand she has a right to be consulted and pissed off but are we being ridiculous to consider it? She has twice moved over an hour away for new relationships (that ended a short while after) and DP has just had to accept it and put in the extra effort to collect/drop off DD for access. It’s always him putting in the effort because ex doesn’t drive. She is an oddly controlling woman and kicks up a fuss over things that don’t even matter, so heaven knows how she’ll react to this. Example: she’s pregnant and we asked her the due date because we wanted to book a holiday and obviously don’t want to book in the weeks surrounding the birth as we expect to be needed to have DSD while she recovers/bonds in peace etc. Would she tell us? No. Cue incoming barrage about how it’s not our business and she doesn’t need our help etc etc. We’ve guessed and booked anyway but that’ll rear it’s head again.

Nothing is set, he is also in talks for a job much closer but we are genuinely torn. I’d hate to think we’re putting money over time with DSD but this is the real world and if you want things you have to go and get them.

OP posts:
AuntieStella · 11/09/2021 14:59

There must be something in between moving 300 miles and staying and living in a 1-bed flat

Exactly

he is also in talks for a job much closer

Good - that is the best outcome here.

300 miles is too far. Little and often is a better pattern

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 11/09/2021 15:00

[quote Rach888]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken you are coming across very close minded. And what a sweeping statement to make about parents who move away from their children. My opinion is based on my actual life and experiences so I am more than entitled to it. My mother is a feminist and a very strong woman who has raised me to be the same - to say I am basing my argument on misogyny is so far removed from the truth it’s quite laughable. But you MUST be correct as you know me so well and cannot take ANY other opinions on board. I’m going out now so unfortunately cannot waste my time further on this.

P.s: not all fathers / men are evil ;)[/quote]
You couldn’t imagine leaving your child. Think about why that is. What feelings do you have for them that this man clearly doesn’t?

BungleandGeorge · 11/09/2021 15:05

If you have a one bed flat why don’t you just put the daughter in the living room? She’s only young so it’s not a problem if that’s the only space you have. I’d much rather do that and have a proper relationship with her.
Once you have a child together I think you really do need to stay within reasonable distance of the other parent apart from in exceptional circumstances. I believe courts can stop RP from moving hundreds of miles away and I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t grant whatever suits your partner as he is choosing to move

sweeneytoddsrazor · 11/09/2021 15:08

I have already said this is a shitty thing to do and I would say exactly the same if it was the mum moving with a child that far from the father. However there was a recent thread where someone wanted to do exactly that and whilst some posters thought it was awful there was a lot who suggested the mum should go for it and it was up to the dad to either travel or move if he wished to continue seeing his dc on a regular basis. Interesting to once again seeing the difference MN puts on things based on which parent it is.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 11/09/2021 15:08

[quote Rach888]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken you are coming across very close minded. And what a sweeping statement to make about parents who move away from their children. My opinion is based on my actual life and experiences so I am more than entitled to it. My mother is a feminist and a very strong woman who has raised me to be the same - to say I am basing my argument on misogyny is so far removed from the truth it’s quite laughable. But you MUST be correct as you know me so well and cannot take ANY other opinions on board. I’m going out now so unfortunately cannot waste my time further on this.

P.s: not all fathers / men are evil ;)[/quote]
My ex moved a long way away when DS was 8. DS hasn't suffered for it but that's because I worked very hard to make sure he didn't. I spent a fortune and travelled thousands of miles (3 countries and back again in 36 hours on one memorable occasion) to facilitate their time together. I am also a feminist.
The reason we are calling this misogyny is because it all falls on the shoulders of the mother to fill in the gaps when men like my ex, your dad and the OP's partner fuck off miles away from their kids then men get absolved with comments like yours that you never suffered for it.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 11/09/2021 15:12

@Rach888 you're seeing things with rose tinted glasses on. You were a child at the time. You had the best of both worlds because your Mum made it so. The fact you can't see that means she did a great job.

Would you be happy if you and your dp split and you had to enforce all the bedtimes, deal with all the illnesses, homework etc and he swooped in on the holidays for all the fun stuff? Really?

Dinodoodle · 11/09/2021 15:16

@SpaceshiptoMars

Is it a drive or can you fly? Mum may object to you grabbing all of the main holidays - you get the fun stuff, she gets the daily grind. You'd need to be pretty fair and generous with maintenance to cover extra childcare, or you'll make an enemy from the off. Not sure that 'buying the child back' with a house is a guarantee of success - gratitude is a glacially slow growing virtue! As long as you are aware that she might take the goodies and run - and can handle that - you could end up quite heartbroken if that happened.
If mum is unhappy with that then it needs to be looked at again. It’s just an idea at this stage. She’s with us for longer periods during school holidays normally anyway so mum has a longer break/holidays etc. As others have said it’ll probably get harder as she gets older and has friends and so on that she’d rather see.

I don’t expect DSD to care anything about house purchase etc now of course, im not a thinking of buying her back. Just about having more to offer long term.

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ZenNudist · 11/09/2021 15:18

Surely a wind up. If he really could move that far from his dd he'd be showing himself up as a pretty awful human being. Being able to support her financially is an excuse. To be a father you need to actually see your child and the shitty arrangements proposed here about seeing every 3 weeks are woefully insufficient.

The decent thing to do is find a much closer job.

You sound really selfish supporting this. I hate SM bashing where its said "you know what you're getting into", but really when you attach yourself to a man with a child by another woman you are giving up adventure and nomadic wandering.

mocktail · 11/09/2021 15:21

I don't understand how he can even consider it.

IceCreamAndCandyfloss · 11/09/2021 15:23

I’m not sure the extra activities etc really will be extra given how little she will actually be there.
The benefits may suit you as a couple but his daughter will be the one who gets monthly visits only and no dad present in her day to day life for hobbies, school things etc.
You may find the other parent won’t accommodate the pattern he wants.

Naunet · 11/09/2021 15:25

OP, what would you think if her mother announced she was moving 300 miles away so your DP would have to have DD full time from now on, and she’d come back to visit once a month. She doesn’t ask if you’re both ok with this new arrangement, just tells you what’s happening.

Would you think that was reasonable? Would you think she was a good mum? Would you be angry that she didn’t even ask you if you could both take on the extra childcare?

Its947 · 11/09/2021 15:25

I’ve never understood people who do this. Your children leave you, not the other way round. Especially when they’re so small. I’ve seen it so many times, then as the children turn into teenagers/young adults the parent that moved complains they don’t have a great relationship, the child doesn’t try hard enough, blah blah. Erm yeh, you left them because it suited you, you caused it.

Suzi888 · 11/09/2021 15:26

@icedcoffees you don’t know that. You don’t know her parents financial circumstances or anything about her life.
I’m the high earner in my HH, not DH. If he left, financially I’d be absolutely fine. 💪🏼 So would my child.

WallaceinAnderland · 11/09/2021 15:29

OP forget about her mum and just focus on her relationship with her dad.

This little 5 year old girl currently sees her dad every week. This would have to stop.

She stays with him every other weekend. This would have to stop.

Where is the consideration for her needs in all of this? How is any of this in her best interests. Are you seriously going to try and tell a 5 year old she will have more money. Have a heart.

Redgeraniums · 11/09/2021 15:32

The answer is pretty obvious
To any parent who deeply loved their child.
And I’m not even a parent. But my god, it’s a way to fuck up a child

alphabetspagetti · 11/09/2021 15:34

I have various friends whose parents separated when they were children and could only see their fathers in the school holidays & they seem OK with this.
Where is struggle with this scenario is how much upheaval there has been and will continue to be in DSD's life. In the past 3 years, it sounds as though she has lived in 3 different homes and with 3 different men (as you say her mum has moved an hour away twice and is now pregnant but living locally again) and is about to have a baby sibling in her life. I think your DH should be looking at how to give her more stability & routine, not less.
And how will it work with her at the grandparents once every four weeks? Will he be a real Disney dad or will she have toys there, be able to have friends over and have a normal day to day relationship? And how will this work as she gets older? What happens if a sleepover or a sports activity or school trip coincides with a weekend you've scheduled?

Macaroni46 · 11/09/2021 15:35

@Chloemol have you any concept of how long it takes to travel 300 miles?

peboh · 11/09/2021 15:37

Yes. It's unreasonable. I'm that sure little girl would rather her father provide time spent, than money.

Josette77 · 11/09/2021 15:39

Considering this is horrifying. So deeply selfish.

Saoirse82 · 11/09/2021 15:39

I can totally understand your dilemma but I'm surprised your DP would even consider this with all the upheaval she's already been through in her short life. I hit YANBU by accident, I think this is unreasonable, poor girl.

Lorw · 11/09/2021 15:40

I would say no, too far, besides all the travel costs soon mount up, I travel to see my parents every now and then who live 270 miles away, costs £120 in petrol there and back, once a month wouldn’t be enough for a 5 year old so twice a month that’s £240+ in petrol let alone the costs on the weekends of taking her out places and eating, I would say for now it’s best for him to find a job nearer, she won’t be little for ever and soon enough won’t really be interested in coming to see her dad as she will have friends and a social life etc, besides what if you decided to have children, she would never see her siblings, that drive is too much for kids 😞

Just have to make do if you can’t find a better job closer to home 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m sure she will be fine sleeping with her dad for now

santaslittlehohoho · 11/09/2021 15:45

I think it's for you and your DH to decide, and for him to communicate to the EX.

From a child's prospective - my mum remarried when I was super young, we then lived in a totally different country to my Dad due to my Step Dads job (him in England, me in Europe). I flew over to seem him alone, he'd fly in for the occasional weekend. Then when we moved to England 6 years later, we were at opposite ends of the country (6 + hours away) so parents would meet up halfway and swap us at service stations! I have a great relationship with him now I'm 28, we call / text regularly and I don't think it had an impact on my childhood at all, every time I saw him was an adventure - and now you've got even better technology to be able to communicate with your DPs DD.

I understand everyone on the thread seems to think it's not a good idea - just thought a perspective of a child that's been through it might help Smile

Singinghollybob · 11/09/2021 15:46

It might be better for yours and your DPs quality of life and future prospects but certainly not your DSD's. Its a massive distance to move and he certainly wouldnt be a present father. Instead, I'd be looking at what both you and he can do improve quality of life closer to home.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/09/2021 16:06

@Recessed

If he only has his DD one night a week and no other responsibilities he has ample time to progress his career in another direction - there's really no excuse here.
I agree with this. He hardly has his dd as it is.
LoooooooongCovid · 11/09/2021 16:06

Awful idea. Think again!

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