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To ask how people will cope with Universal credit cut.

999 replies

ponyexpress22 · 10/09/2021 13:25

Surely they aren't going ahead with cutting it by £20 a week? I'm shocked that the government could stoop this low. What the hell are they doing. Angry

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Lamadrams · 17/09/2021 16:09

And this is how it should be .. supporting the less able.

PalmarisLongus · 17/09/2021 16:34

[quote vivainsomnia]@EmmaOvary, you mean an organisation that has a direct interest in the matter? You consider all families whose income is less than average to be in poverty?

That's right, I don't believe their biased statistic at all. I remember that I met the criteria as being a family in poverty when I was a single mum of 2 under 5. I certainly was not so. Yes I had to be careful with money, yes I had to prioritise and didn't have much money for holidays nor to save regularly but I could feed my family healthily, keep us warm, buy them adequate clothing, pay for a few activities and days out, treat them reasonably for Xmas and birthdays and kit the house with essentials.

So no, I don't pay much attention to their statistics.[/quote]
The most widely recognised measurement of poverty in the UK are households with an income 60% lower than the average income.

The average UK salary is 31k I believe.
So a single adult household with income of below £18600 is about the poverty line.

Some people are surprised that poverty line sounds quite high, £18600 a year doesn't sound bad, it's more than minimum wage.
But it's not really a hard cut definition, more a guide.

So if £18600 is poverty line, a household of 1 adult, 1 child, on UC getting £11500 is well below the poverty line.

Person A on £18k a year is in poverty.
Person B on £11k a year is also in poverty.

But, this shouldn't be a race to the bottom. It should be about lifting everyone up so everyone is better off.

Declaring £15k a perfectly.livable wage because some people live on less, doesn't work. What we should be doing is getting those living on less, up to a better standard, then we'd all benefit.

PalmarisLongus · 17/09/2021 16:39

@Lamadrams

EmmaOvary .. you wrote that if the uplift goes the disabled will go back to shivering once more

My relative is disabled . This is not the case at all. She has a disabilty car. She has weekly massages. She shops in m and s . She has a cleaner.
She is very comfortable.
She could actually work . She is a wheelchair user and spends much time on her computor and has an allotment for which she pays a gardner to.help her. She has never ever been under any pressure to.work and she could do an office job.
She has a happy and supported good quality of life.
I know that this can be different with different disabikities but somwtimes I get sick of sterotypical assuptions about ' the disabled' as if are all poor when it is simply not the case and tax payers money here is supporting an comfortable life.
And this will not am.sure be challenged as she cannot.walk . I guess less visible disabity may be different. However, not all.disabled people will shiver and shake with cold now. Even her pets get fresh human quality food.

You know one single disabled person living it well.

There's literally hundreds of stories of disabled people that can't afford heating, food, etc
Many disable people have committed suicide after being found fit for work and being unable to see how they can live.

1 person living well does not mean all disabled people are living well just the same as 1 suicide doesn't mean all disabled people are suicidal.

But again... It isn't useful to say "Clare at Number 30 is doing great in Her disability payments, so why can't all disabled people be like her?"
What we should be aiming for is getting all disabled people into the same situation as Clare at No 30.

rougemouse · 17/09/2021 17:07

As well as many disabled people not getting what they're entitled to, a lot of the problem is housing. Those doing okay on benefits (myself included although we'll suffer for losing the £80) are in low cost council homes which are increasingly impossible to get hold of. If 100% your rent is covered things aren't too too bad. Before I got my flat it was very very dark times. Seeing some people doing okay on benefits doesn't take in to account outgoings on rent that can cripple people.

EmmaOvary · 17/09/2021 17:20

@Lamadrams I am delighted to hear that your disabled relative is comfortable, would you prefer she was uncomfortable?

She has a Motability car? Good - she needs an adapted car.

Weekly massages? More than likely to help with a chronic condition.

A cleaner? Good - she's wheelchair bound so she needs that too.

But I must say it is rather incredible that she seems to have escaped the Capita assessors...

Gilead · 17/09/2021 18:38

Glad someone is managing. I can’t afford a cleaner and yet I’m unable to clean. I rely on friends to help with the garden. I am currently under a blanket because it’s freezing in the evenings and I can’t afford to put the gas fire on. I don’t drink, smoke or get take always. It’s not easy and brown envelopes are terrifying.

DamnUserName21 · 17/09/2021 18:57

@Gilead
Flowers

Lamadrams · 17/09/2021 18:59

Of course I would not want my relative to struggle and I did acknowledge that her situation is simpler than a less visible disability.
I was trying to be positive , in that some more vulnerable people are well cared for on benefits and it is not all negative and that there can be some positive outcomes.

PalmarisLongus · 17/09/2021 19:06

@Lamadrams

Of course I would not want my relative to struggle and I did acknowledge that her situation is simpler than a less visible disability. I was trying to be positive , in that some more vulnerable people are well cared for on benefits and it is not all negative and that there can be some positive outcomes.
Would you tell a starving man about the feast your friend had last night?

Knowing that some people are ok is no comfort to people who aren't.

bringincrazyback · 17/09/2021 19:10

I'm about to hide this thread because if I don't I will likely say some things that'll get me banned.

There are some truly vile excuses for human beings on this thread.

Lamadrams · 17/09/2021 19:16

PalmarisLongus
OK , was trying to be positive. AND at least we do have some form of saftey net. Faulty as it may be. Have been to countries were there is no such net.. it does not make it ok, but honsetly at least we have some entitlement to help in this country.

IfImLyingImDying · 17/09/2021 19:43

@Gilead

Glad someone is managing. I can’t afford a cleaner and yet I’m unable to clean. I rely on friends to help with the garden. I am currently under a blanket because it’s freezing in the evenings and I can’t afford to put the gas fire on. I don’t drink, smoke or get take always. It’s not easy and brown envelopes are terrifying.
I believe you @Gilead and I’m so sorry you’ve been let down by the rotten excuse of a society.
IfImLyingImDying · 17/09/2021 19:45

@Lamadrams

PalmarisLongus OK , was trying to be positive. AND at least we do have some form of saftey net. Faulty as it may be. Have been to countries were there is no such net.. it does not make it ok, but honsetly at least we have some entitlement to help in this country.
So easy to “stay positive” isn’t it when it’s not you living a day to day struggle isn’t it? You can’t even bring yourself to try and see the truth of what’s happen to people.

Have all the Biscuit @Lamadrams. Absolutely all of them.

Supperspice · 17/09/2021 20:12

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Gilead · 17/09/2021 20:13

OK , was trying to be positive. AND at least we do have some form of saftey net
Yes we do but if you want to make comparisons, take a look at the rest of Europe, we are the lowest.
Again, you are asking that starving man to be grateful the weather is warm at the moment.

IfImLyingImDying · 17/09/2021 20:25

@Supperspice

LyingImDying there arw e mant positives about the fact our benefit system exists . Yes there are faults but inany countries people .do not have the , yes imperfect, benefits zystem we have. Please see thread I have started about this. We are protected from much in this country . Look at benefits, furlough, free health care.. things some citizens of tge world can only dream of I kmow that.poverty is relative , but imagine no saftey net .. of any form ,, ever.. we are actually lucky in this country to have such systems ..?
Two words for you; Cognitive Dissonance.

Just because the UK isn’t North Korea it doesn’t mean that what is happening here is ok.

Have a look at the UN report in to child poverty in the UK and come back and tell me that the findings are acceptable.

FYI I’ve worked and lived in 3rd world countries in unimaginable circumstances. It makes what’s happening in the UK even more unacceptable. Don’t patronise me.

TooBigForMyBoots · 17/09/2021 20:46

One of the headlines on the news today was Afgans Sell Possessions to Put Food on the Table. I know a fair few UK families who've had to do the same.Sad

PalmarisLongus · 17/09/2021 20:51

@TooBigForMyBoots

One of the headlines on the news today was Afgans Sell Possessions to Put Food on the Table. I know a fair few UK families who've had to do the same.Sad
I've done the same. PS4 went for £75, almost a months shopping. Tablet went for £30 to pay electric. Car went, but that was because I couldn't afford petrol and insurance etc. I did get £800 for it but that didn't last long at all.

It's amazing how expensive things can get when you're trying to make things cheaper. Switching electric with exit fees. Cancelling phone contract, exit fees. Changing insurance, fees. So on and so on.

Supperspice · 17/09/2021 20:53

It seems to me thar the vote on this remains quite evenly split.
It seems that tbose that disagree with the temporary uplift being removed seem very dismissive of the other 48% that disagree with.them. I think both sides need to be heard . Fair .

PalmarisLongus · 17/09/2021 20:56

HS2 costs.
PPE costs.
MP salaries..
Etc

But let's raise NI and take away money from the poor.

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