To ask how people will cope with Universal credit cut.

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Surely they aren't going ahead with cutting it by £20 a week? I'm shocked that the government could stoop this low. What the hell are they doing.

@NiceWelshLady

This and the furlough scheme were intended to help people during the pandemic. It was clear from the start that it was only temporary.

The country is facing serious economic difficulties, including tax increases. We all have to do our bit. There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

If the country is so desperately poor...

Have they stopped HS2?
Have to got back money spent on PPe that didn't work?
Have the MPs cut their salaries and refused a raise?
Have they stopped the work on the Yacht?

How much have the billionaires made during the pandemic? Go Google...

This country has money.
This tax raise will make 12bn over 2 years.. hS2 stage 1 is worth 40bn. Scrap that, use whatever is left of the 40bn. Easy.
Tax landlords and dividends and those with property and land, not the lowest income earners. Easy.

But they won't.
Because people are happier if the poor are villified as they believe there's 'millions of scroungers' which is easily disproven.
Unfortunately people prefer an easy lie that supports their preconceived notions.

This and the furlough scheme were intended to help people during the pandemic. It was clear from the start that it was only temporary.

The country is facing serious economic difficulties. People who are working will have to pay more tax, so it is not unreasonable to expect people on benefits to do their bit. There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

Hey @Badgerbonce I’d never rely on my spouse to support me whilst I chose to work part time. Let’s look into that shall we.

Re the workhouse comment. I would say it sounds like a kibbutz not a work house.
There is nothing wrong with sharing childcare . Its happened for many years. It does not have to equal an evil tory workhouse.

@NiceWelshLady

This and the furlough scheme were intended to help people during the pandemic. It was clear from the start that it was only temporary.

The country is facing serious economic difficulties. People who are working will have to pay more tax, so it is not unreasonable to expect people on benefits to do their bit. There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

People on benefits work too. Keep up.

@NiceWelshLady

This and the furlough scheme were intended to help people during the pandemic. It was clear from the start that it was only temporary.

The country is facing serious economic difficulties. People who are working will have to pay more tax, so it is not unreasonable to expect people on benefits to do their bit. There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

This is lala land stuff.

40% of UC claimants are working and most of those who are not are in categories where they can't easily e.g. young children.

I think the unfair Tory tax rises are mo justification for punitive benefit cuts too.

The trouble is people on benefits can't 'di their bit' without going without basic essentials.

Oh I can't even be bothered to correct all my typos!

@Lamadrams

Re the workhouse comment. I would say it sounds like a kibbutz not a work house. There is nothing wrong with sharing childcare . Its happened for many years. It does not have to equal an evil tory workhouse.

Yes I agree it's not exactly like a workhouse. But housing all the single mums together as if they are a homogeneous group isn't exactly helpful. Sharing childcare can work. Of course it can. My friends and I used to help each other out a lot when our dc were small. But the odd day here and there isn't the same.

People who are working will have to pay more tax, so it is not unreasonable to expect people on benefits to do their bit.

40% of people on UC are in work. Everyone on benefits pays tax in the form of VAT, more often than not at a higher proportion of their income than those on higher incomes.

There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

How do you suggest someone that is too disabled to work, increases their income? Disability does not disappear.

What @PalmarisLongus said. The money is there but people prefer an easy lie that supports their preconceived notions. I don’t claim UC as I don’t quite qualify but would support keeping the uplift for those who do.

Workhouses became public assistance institutions, and some didn't close until the 1980s. They (the mothers and the children) were targeted by grooming gangs and drug dealers. However you choose to describe them, they have no place in today's world.

(I have friends that grew up in them.)

@CorrBlimeyGG

Workhouses became public assistance institutions, and some didn't close until the 1980s. They (the mothers and the children) were targeted by grooming gangs and drug dealers. However you choose to describe them, they have no place in today's world.

(I have friends that grew up in them.)

I think some people would like to see the poor and disadvantaged getting punished for being poor and disadvantaged.

Absolutely story would @PalmarisLongus

THEY would I mean. Goodness.

Do not think that the government have any option but to stick the temporary nature of this increase.
People who work AND do not also claim benfits are facing reduction in income too. We all have to pay for covid. And yes ,it will hit some more than others.

You mean the poor @Lamadrams

"We all have to pay for covid. And yes ,it will hit some more than others."

I'll shorten this... To a simple saying..
"Fuck you jack, I'm alright"

Take 1% off someone with £10000000, they'll barely notice it, take the same off someone with nothing...

£30 billion on test and trace, anyone?

We're all in this together...apart from Boris and his cronies.

@Lamadrams

Do not think that the government have any option but to stick the temporary nature of this increase. People who work AND do not also claim benfits are facing reduction in income too. We all have to pay for covid. And yes ,it will hit some more than others.

So you accept it is unfairly going to hit some ( the poor) more than others, but are fine with that

At least you're honest I guess!

@CorrBlimeyGG

People who are working will have to pay more tax, so it is not unreasonable to expect people on benefits to do their bit.

40% of people on UC are in work. Everyone on benefits pays tax in the form of VAT, more often than not at a higher proportion of their income than those on higher incomes.

There are plenty of job vacancies, so opportunities to earn extra income if you are struggling.

How do you suggest someone that is too disabled to work, increases their income? Disability does not disappear.

This ^

Many people in receipt of benefits are working as much as they possibly can. And how do people too ill or disabled to work earn more?

We all have to do our bit? In New Zealand MPs took a paycut to help with the pandemic costs. What are our UK politicians doing, to do their bit?

@PalmarisLongus

"We all have to pay for covid. And yes ,it will hit some more than others."

I'll shorten this... To a simple saying..
"Fuck you jack, I'm alright"

Take 1% off someone with £10000000, they'll barely notice it, take the same off someone with nothing...

This ^

@CorrBlimeyGG

Workhouses became public assistance institutions, and some didn't close until the 1980s. They (the mothers and the children) were targeted by grooming gangs and drug dealers. However you choose to describe them, they have no place in today's world.

(I have friends that grew up in them.)

Sadly the situation today is not too disimilar - to an extent. Vulnerable children in care are targeted by grooming gangs, and vulnerable homeless families and disabled individuals are dumped on 'sink' housing estates and in slum temporary accommodation - homeless families and disabled socially cleansed and displaced far away from family, community, and support networks. Left as easy prey for grooming gangs and drug dealers.

The way to reduce the benefits bill (and tackle the issue of 'sink estates') would be by dealing with the public health housing and homelessness emergency. Costly upfront but cheaper longer term (and obviously it's the right thing to do morally). Many working people have to claim benefit top-ups because of the spiralling cost of housing. We also spend billions in tax money housing the homeless in very expensive (but shitty) temporary accommodation.

We're not a civilised society. Punishing the poor or vulnerable or disabled for being poor and vulnerable or disabled.

Just making the poorer, poorer. It's disgusting.

I don't see how they can cut £80-£100+ off people a month. The thing is, from what I'm aware it never said it was actually in their statement they received it. So people claiming at the beginning of the pandemic might of thought that was their actual amount they were entitled too. They label everything in that statement so why oh why did they not say it was a temporary uplift? They literally just started 2 months before it was due to be cut that it was going.

Absolutely disgraceful.

Stated*

We all have to do our bit? In New Zealand MPs took a paycut to help with the pandemic costs. What are our UK politicians doing, to do their bit?

UK MPs got an expenses increase during covid. £10000, I think.
And people moan about the 80pm low income folks got...laughable.