AIBU to ask if anyone cares? (Passports)

[Revertion]

I'm posting here rather than in the CV board because I don't think this is actually about the virus anymore.

We all saw it coming, some earlier than others, but it's coming on the 1st of October.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-vaccine-passports-required-in-scotland-for-entry-to-large-venues-from-1-october-12403321

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-mandatory-vaccine-certification/

Honestly I could weep. And I can say that as someone who this plan, in it's current iteration at least, is not going to affect in any way.

But this is setting a precedent. An unprecedented change to our way of life and it has happened without being mentioned on any manifesto, without public consultation, and without clear plans, scopes, limitations and exemptions having been finalised.

It’s saying that in this country, we can limit your daily life based on your perceived health status and we can measure that perceived health status any way we choose to and we don’t need to provide any scientific reasoning, justification, or evidence that there is a need for it or benefits to it.

That is without getting into details about human rights, valid exemptions, and the blinding issue of an end date being based on ministers (not medics or experts) consideration on preventing spread of CV, when the very same plan says, regarding negative testing as an alternative, that it is not considered appropriate because it would undermine one of the main aims which is to encourage vaccination.

So the scope of the plan is not even aligned with the aim.

That is the precedent we are setting here and it is coming from a government who are attempting to make emergency powers permanent (subject to public consultation - for which there is already a CLEAR PRECEDENT of this government entirely disregarding on other issues).

Yes, yes, slippery slopes are a fallacy and all that. But can we call it that when the top of the slope isn't ethically or morally 'correct' and you don't have to make too many logical distinctions or conclusions before you get to the bottom?

AIBU to think this has the potential to be dangerous?

And, specifically if you are in Scotland or follow Scottish politics, AIBU to think the current government really have no line when it comes to their reach into personal lives and freedoms?

(This is coming straight off the back off their attempts to make emergency powers permanent, the 4 year olds can change gender, the thoughts can be a hate crime, etc. Where does it end?).

I'm really having a 'final nail in the coffin' moment this morning. Feel utterly powerless. BUT prepared to be told I'm unreasonable because I'm apparently also a masochist....

I am with you OP.

The sooner sheeple stop sleepwalking into this totalitarian nightmare the better.

Gawd, when you have to use the term "sheeple" you've lost the argument.

I don't understand, after all the business about not wanting to leave the EU and allegedly wanting to keep Scottish policy in line with EU policy so they could rejoin, Scotland would suddenly go the opposite direction with so socially regressive Just use the 3G principles (vaccinated, recovered, or tested), which unlike this proposal don't fall foul of the ECHR. Testing option also makes practical sense if someone has come from somewhere outside the country where the vaccine hasn't been available to them.

Where I am, you can get daily tests for free whether you're "fully vaxxed" or not, and in some industries you need the tests even if vaxxed. I predict it'll move toward testing for everyone, if the delta variant remains a factor or if a new variant becomes significant. (Of course, people would ideally have both when possible - vax to protect yourself and lessen load on the health services, and testing to protect others).

You do have to show your national ID card or passport along with your green pass. I don't see how the ID piece is going to work in Scotland without discriminating, since there's no mandatory or even optional national ID.

Theyve ditched the idea in England but of course nicola wants that power over everyone so we will still have them.

Im not a fan of Sajid Javid but this is the right decsion. I hope they don't U turn on it. I think NS is risking IndyRef 197 with insisting on this amount of control over the Scottish people

Even if it saved one life, it’s good by me.

@OhDearMuriel

Even if it saved one life, it’s good by me.

And what if someone only got the vaccine to access a nightclub but took a bad reaction - does that also sit OK with you?

I'm pretty pro vaccine, but at the same time I'm pro choice.