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Neighbour issues!

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ShadowsInTheDarkness · 08/09/2021 11:13

Morning all.

Our cottage has a front path which runs past our front door and through our garden. It borders the back of some other cottages gardens and the cottage occupants have rights to access the path and use it for taking bins out, access etc. When we moved in we noticed that one cottage had a gate onto the path which was in disrepair, quite low and that their fence was falling down. We knew our dogs would be straight through it so we erected a post and chicken wire fence in our garden which ran alongside the path on our side. We can get onto the path via a gate and the neighbours have uninterrupted access to the path. We even placed the fence a foot or so further away from the path so that the access was wider than the path to make it easier to use.

Yesterday the neighbours called me over while I was outside. They have asked us to move the fence so that it runs further along, so they can more easily access their fence if the want to repair it. I agreed to this straight away, I have in no way been difficult about their access.

They have recently removed their hedge so that their garden now completely overlooks the path and our garden. The neighbours proceeded to point out that now the hedge is gone, our garden is their view, and that they would appreciate it if we could keep their view tidier. Specific things were pointed out such as a compost bag, a child's plastic chair that looked "dumped", some dogs toys and a bag of garden rubbish Id bagged up but not taken round to the bin yet. I was asked why we don't use the old green house which is a storage space and not used for growing (we have a larger one round the back of the garden!) and generally expected to hop to it and tidy up. The female neighbour "joked" that she would be doing an inspection later to check if I'd picked everything up.

I want to stress that these items were not up against the path, but in our garden. We generally keep the house and garden visitor ready but not immaculate as we are busy, and have a take us as you find us approach to visitors who pop round. We have livestock, DCs, dogs and both work/study full time. Our gardens are tidy and mowed but will inevitably have children's toys, feed sacks, hay and dog toys around.

So wwyd? DH wants to erect a solid fence pronto. I am avoiding going out there whilst also being tempted to pile up a load of pallets round there for storage and "accidentally" block their view!

There were also comments made about our dogs, chickens and ducks but as the birds are kept on part of our land that is not within sight of their "view" and a good distance away from them (nearly an acre) I'm inclined to ignore that. We aren't noisy or difficult neighbours and have always been very accommodating but this seems incredibly cheeky. Her justification for the request to keep the garden tidy was based on the fact that we "have all space" whilst they "only have this little bit". They are retired and sitting outside a lot at the moment with the nice weather so I'm hoping for rain soon!

Thoughts? Advice? How would you handle this? I will provide a diagram if requested 😁

OP posts:
bicarbonateofcherrysoda · 08/09/2021 19:22

@WiddlinDiddlin 🤣🤣🤣

KittenKins · 08/09/2021 19:27

I love both diagrams!

Berkeys · 08/09/2021 19:30

Time to plant a lovely big messy hedge! Lots of honeysuckle and rambly plants. Do not tidy up!

EnjoyingTheSilence · 08/09/2021 19:32

CF!

RazorSharp · 08/09/2021 20:07

@WiddlinDiddlin

Great diagram!

I have a couple of fencing suggestions....

I vote number 2!

CFs

WiddlinDiddlin · 08/09/2021 20:19

I'd also plant it up with whatever that plant is that has flowers that look like willies...

Theres the subtle options.. aaaaaand the not so subtle...

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Horst · 08/09/2021 21:28

Just a shed op. Again buy a shed to block their view and store your view ruining items in and only placing it to block their view.

LookItsMeAgain · 09/09/2021 18:26

@WiddlinDiddlin - OMG!!! What are those plants called???
I have never seen them before.
@ShadowsInTheDarkness - Definitely get some of the second plant (better if they start as seed form) and you can sprinkle some of the seeds in the garden of the neighbour and along the grassy verge. They won't realise what they are until it's too late Grin Grin

WiddlinDiddlin · 11/09/2021 10:40

@LookItsMeAgain the rather graphic one is a Nepenthes sp. pitcher plant, can't get closer than that I'm afraid. It probably wants a greenhouse unfortunately...

The pretty one is Orchis italia, the Naked Man Orchid. Better scope for sneaky growing but probably wants a bit of pampering... lol.

ShadowsInTheDarkness · 11/09/2021 18:50

Just a small update - so far we haven't done anything to the fence as been really busy the last few days. The neighbours however have been very busy, cutting down more of their plants and turning their previously secluded and very pretty garden into a patch of dry grass. They've been out there at every opportunity sitting facing our garden, enjoying the view. And have been leaving their gate wide open.
I'll update again once we sort fencing out. Im sure it will cause much outrage. I have a feeling that before we moved in they may have actually used our garden as an extension of their own as I know the house was empty for a while.

OP posts:
YorkshireLass2012 · 11/09/2021 19:14

Are your neighbours aware that you legally own the path with a granted rights of access? I would be worried about erecting a fence along the path next to your garden as it may give the impression you don’t own it. This could lead to some legal trouble down the line. So I would consult a property solicitor before you do anything else tbh.

MinnieGirl · 11/09/2021 19:42

@YorkshireLass2012

Are your neighbours aware that you legally own the path with a granted rights of access? I would be worried about erecting a fence along the path next to your garden as it may give the impression you don’t own it. This could lead to some legal trouble down the line. So I would consult a property solicitor before you do anything else tbh.
I was thinking that after I last posted…. If anything, the fence needs to be along the back of the neighbours cottages. I would think twice before fencing off your own land. They don’t like the view, tough. They chose to remove their hedge so it’s tough luck. An appoint with a solicitor will save you a lot of potential trouble. And they will be able to tell you just how much access the cottage owners are entitled to.
averylongtimeago · 11/09/2021 21:27

Just read your latest update.
Be very careful- if you put your fence on "your" side of the path, they will claim the path as theirs.
Put the fence right on your actual boundary, with a lighter wire fence to mark where the path goes.
Add a small notice at each end saying something like "permissive path to houses xyz only no public right of way".
Joking aside, make absolutely sure they can't claim any of your property.

Good fences make good neighbours- make sure yours are good fences!

PersonaNonGarter · 11/09/2021 21:39

OP, the posters that are advising you not to fence inside your property have a point. You need to be clear where the boundary is. However, I can see from your diagram that actually maybe a fence at the boundary isn’t ideal for you either.

Would you consider a more moveable screen eg a line of large pots filled with tall bamboo - this would do the job of providing immediate privacy but might be a bit less aggressively legal?

nonevernotever · 11/09/2021 22:20

I need to watch this thread just in case there's more about Maude and her friends.

TwoLeftElbows · 11/09/2021 22:34

Trouble is, if OP fences at her actual boundary she needs to effectively let the neighbours into her garden every time they use the path. I think the privacy would be more important to me than the extra couple of feet of land, if it has to be one or the other. If OP fences in the path, I can imagine infuriated, arsey neighbours deciding to put their deckchairs out on the path and continuing to enjoy the view of OP's garden.

OP I hope the kids are having a whale of a time this weekend making messes memories and turning the lawn into a giant sprawl of plastic.

BlackTee40 · 11/09/2021 22:36

@ShadowsInTheDarkness

Morning all.

Our cottage has a front path which runs past our front door and through our garden. It borders the back of some other cottages gardens and the cottage occupants have rights to access the path and use it for taking bins out, access etc. When we moved in we noticed that one cottage had a gate onto the path which was in disrepair, quite low and that their fence was falling down. We knew our dogs would be straight through it so we erected a post and chicken wire fence in our garden which ran alongside the path on our side. We can get onto the path via a gate and the neighbours have uninterrupted access to the path. We even placed the fence a foot or so further away from the path so that the access was wider than the path to make it easier to use.

Yesterday the neighbours called me over while I was outside. They have asked us to move the fence so that it runs further along, so they can more easily access their fence if the want to repair it. I agreed to this straight away, I have in no way been difficult about their access.

They have recently removed their hedge so that their garden now completely overlooks the path and our garden. The neighbours proceeded to point out that now the hedge is gone, our garden is their view, and that they would appreciate it if we could keep their view tidier. Specific things were pointed out such as a compost bag, a child's plastic chair that looked "dumped", some dogs toys and a bag of garden rubbish Id bagged up but not taken round to the bin yet. I was asked why we don't use the old green house which is a storage space and not used for growing (we have a larger one round the back of the garden!) and generally expected to hop to it and tidy up. The female neighbour "joked" that she would be doing an inspection later to check if I'd picked everything up.

I want to stress that these items were not up against the path, but in our garden. We generally keep the house and garden visitor ready but not immaculate as we are busy, and have a take us as you find us approach to visitors who pop round. We have livestock, DCs, dogs and both work/study full time. Our gardens are tidy and mowed but will inevitably have children's toys, feed sacks, hay and dog toys around.

So wwyd? DH wants to erect a solid fence pronto. I am avoiding going out there whilst also being tempted to pile up a load of pallets round there for storage and "accidentally" block their view!

There were also comments made about our dogs, chickens and ducks but as the birds are kept on part of our land that is not within sight of their "view" and a good distance away from them (nearly an acre) I'm inclined to ignore that. We aren't noisy or difficult neighbours and have always been very accommodating but this seems incredibly cheeky. Her justification for the request to keep the garden tidy was based on the fact that we "have all space" whilst they "only have this little bit". They are retired and sitting outside a lot at the moment with the nice weather so I'm hoping for rain soon!

Thoughts? Advice? How would you handle this? I will provide a diagram if requested 😁

I'd put a compost or manure heap directly opposite their garden, up against the fence.
Cherrysoup · 11/09/2021 22:45

Would I fuck have tidied up! Wtf!

6ft fence all the way, they can enjoy a view of some nice new panels.I’d invest in a spring closure for the gate for the sake of your dogs.

ShadowsInTheDarkness · 12/09/2021 00:23

@PersonaNonGarter

OP, the posters that are advising you not to fence inside your property have a point. You need to be clear where the boundary is. However, I can see from your diagram that actually maybe a fence at the boundary isn’t ideal for you either.

Would you consider a more moveable screen eg a line of large pots filled with tall bamboo - this would do the job of providing immediate privacy but might be a bit less aggressively legal?

Yes see this is our concern. Mr Neighbour is a retired solicitor and I am suddenly very paranoid about the amount they are using the path suddenly and the leaving the gate open. I think it's possible that they are going to try and claim the path and land around it as theirs. We have chatted again tonight and think that the best plan is actually to take all of the fence down, and put a much smaller wire fence across the corner where the path wraps around the house. This way we are effectively just fencing off our new veg patch from the rest of the garden whilst also making it very clear that the path is part of our garden and not a separate entity. We will spend some time marking out veg beds and I've got some trugs of cow and goat muck I can bring down from our goat field and leave sitting ready to be used on the new beds 😉. I will make sure that we and the children use the path as much as possible, especially for scooter practice up and down. At some point hopefully they will realise that we aren't going away and restore their hedge or fence.
OP posts:
BlackTee40 · 12/09/2021 06:13

How can they claim it if it's on your deeds?

Could you put two fences, one on the boundary and one the side where the wire fence is, but directly on the edge of the path.

Or fence as you've said and just put a shed directly in front of their garden on the other side of the path, where your chicken wire fence is.

custardbear · 12/09/2021 06:51

Absolutely get a fence up toes uteyour garden if nothing else.

Any of your land abutting the neighbours, chicken wire and a gate so then have access to your pathway for access only

What CF'a suggesting you provide them with their view of choice

MyrealnameisBernard · 12/09/2021 07:53

I like the shed idea tbh. Sounds like a better plan. They sound C as F though
Loving Maud and would like to see more

AnnaSW1 · 12/09/2021 08:27

6 foot fence would be going right up!

ShadowsInTheDarkness · 12/09/2021 13:01

Well a rather robust discussion has now taken place about the fact that we are and plan on using that bit of garden. Once again it was pointed out that we have all that space, which I pointed out that we paid a lot of money for and had every right to use. I stressed several times that we really could do without all this drama, would not be going anywhere any time soon, and would continue to use our land as we see fit.
The wire fence is coming down now and I've bought the children giant chalk to decorate all our paths, including the part the neighbours have access to. Hopefully the bright pink polka dots will emphasise that the bit they access is just a small part of a larger path which does very much belong to us.

Female neighbour also tried to say that their cottage had been in the family for 100 years, which would make our other sadly recently deceased neighbour at least 150, as he definitely owned all the cottages including ours when he first moved to the area 😁.

OP posts:
LookItsMeAgain · 12/09/2021 13:07

@ShadowsInTheDarkness

Diagram as requested
My advice would be to replace the chicken wire fence with something more permanent, as legally high as you can go there (so 6ft if possible) and definitely not something that you can see through. Position it inside your boundary by maybe 6 inches to 1 foot. In that 1 foot or so I'd plant some Box hedging (you can buy them as mature hedges so instant coverage) and this is to help the local wildlife (birds etc.) I would install a gate at both ends of the pathway that surrounds your house. I would also make it very clear either by using a lower version of the hedge & fence combo or just one part of it that the front garden in the diagram is also yours and if necessary, I'd gate that off too. They have rights to access the pathway and nothing else.

They are seriously CFers complaining about their 'view'. I'd take the view away from them so they had a fence/hedge to look at instead!
The path that runs behind each of the houses is common to each of the houses so they can't block access to the last house on the row buy extending their fence out over the pathway or into your garden.