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lettuce for fifth birthday

325 replies

Franklyfrost · 03/09/2021 20:29

I asked my partner to pay for and pick up some party food for ds 5th birthday and gave him a list on his phone. He calls me from the supermarket to ask what to buy and I end up reading out the list and adding it all to the online shop and buying it myself to save him from carrying it home. I do this nicely. After reminding him about the list on his phone. He doesn't thank me. We agree he should pick up cake ingredients to save me looking up the recipe.

I'm at home looking after four kids under 11 this week, and he asks me if I've done all my work. He's asked me this every day this week and I've told him every day that I can't do my (academic) work while looking after four children, plus doing house work and cooking. I got annoyed today and said that him asking me makes me feel like I'm failing and I've explained to him it's impossible.

So he's come home with four, brown at the bottom, reduced because the best before date is today, gem lettuces from Tescos. For the party on Sunday. He has to go put again now because he's forgotten to buy the cake ingredients. I can't mention to hime that it's a very weird thing to buy for a fifth birthday party as he would be very offended and I'd be a terrible nag. He's no health freak and they weren't on the list. AIBU to think he's losing the plot?

OP posts:
lottiegarbanzo · 06/09/2021 15:05

Look, I'm not trying to be mean, or point-scoring here OP.

You're right that MN can be quite hyperbolic (though lateness threads always go the same way, there are three main points of view expressed - disrespect, special needs and lucky my friends are more relaxed than you uptight lot - and all get more entrenched as the thread goes on).

Your thread is the opposite though, if also a classic MN thread style. It's understated and builds up gradually (not that gradually in your case). The woman who asks a question about one small thing, often trying to make light of it, making chummy 'all husbands are like this, aren't they silly!' assumptions. Then, in the course of giving some context, drops in one or two really odd, really disturbing things, that to her are normal, just part of the everyday. Then people pick up on those, probe further and a morass of unpleasantness is uncovered.

People are not seeking to be extreme here, they're following your lead, seeing where it takes them and you.

Have you talked to your friends yet? The ones who had to cancel their long-standing travel, childcare and social plans on Saturday, because your DP decided to go to the pub? What's their perspective on all this?

billy1966 · 06/09/2021 15:10

Such a sad thread.

Poor OP.

MrsHound · 06/09/2021 15:58

Got as far as he pushes her kids and had to stop reading.
I do hope this is a piss take.

Nc123 · 06/09/2021 16:29

Dude.

He grabs your kids.

HE. GRABS. YOUR. KIDS.

I could watch you justify everything else but not that. No one should lay a hand on your children. No one. He’s already crossed a line there, it could escalate. Get rid.

Vitcserum · 06/09/2021 16:37

@lottiegarbanzo

Do the people who are late, then move into your house, live off your inheritance and labour, cut you off form your friends, then drag your vulnerable child around?

No?

Not really comparable, is it.

This ^ Read it again, then again, then read it again. Please keep reading this until it sinks in. It’s not ok for him to be grabbing and manhandling your kids!! Ever.
SolitaryTree · 06/09/2021 16:53

Just clicked back on the post from notifications and have seen some more of the comments…
Sorry for my joke, it was inappropriate seeing what else has been said.
I’d only read the first few comments and thought it was light hearted.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 06/09/2021 17:14

@lottiegarbanzo

Do the people who are late, then move into your house, live off your inheritance and labour, cut you off form your friends, then drag your vulnerable child around?

No?

Not really comparable, is it.

This. OP?
SukonthaM · 06/09/2021 17:33

Op, you do know there’s a difference between tardiness and child abuse? If my boyfriend ‘grabbed and dragged’ one of my DOGS, I’d have him out on his arse quicker than you can say ‘stop putting a bit of cock above your own children’.

lottiegarbanzo · 06/09/2021 20:10

OP, I just had a small brainwave. If what you need is someone else to pay for your utilities until you're earning, get a lodger!

Also, when you're ready, post a new thread in relationships. Far wiser people than me will offer sensible, gentle support and advice.

DameFanny · 06/09/2021 21:32

You can get a lodger, you can also get universal credit when your savings drop below a certain amount. You may also qualify for attendance/carers for your DS. Have a look at entitledto.com and check the numbers.

You'd also get child support from your hopefully soon to be ex - which is more than you get right now

Ninkanink · 06/09/2021 21:56

@Franklyfrost

I had a read of a thread about being late today. It’s full of ‘if anyone is late it’s because they’re an asshole who is deliberately disrespecting me’ etc etc. The same attitude, perhaps with better intentions, is guiding all these replies. If someone’s a bit late I don’t think it’s a big deal, we all struggle in our own ways. I don’t want to be paranoid and demanding, most people are trying the best they can. We’re not perfect. My partner could do better, it’s sad sometimes but that’s life. My children are loved, I’m studying to gain more independence and will order that book about being assertive. The fifth birthday went well and the lettuce is my heathy snack for today to compensate for yesterday’s Pringles.
I don’t at all doubt that your children are loved. Of course they are. But sometimes just loving them isn’t enough. You also have to do right by them.

Being late (or any number of other minor irritations) is absolutely not equivalent to his being physically rough with your children! It’s ridiculous that you even try to make that justification. I’m sorry that it’s hard for you to hear that your partner isn’t actually a great man and that you could, and should, do better for yourself and your children. Of course it is. Especially when you feel trapped because you have a plan set out that relies on him doing some bits to make it possible for you. But sometimes it’s important for these things to be said.

Things can look up. Flowers

Horehound · 07/09/2021 09:11

There's no hope. Her head is in the sand.

What I want to know is WHY is she standing up for him? She seems to just accept having low standards is ok? But the grabbing and dragging the kids thing is unforgivable and if she doesn't see that, she is complacent to their abuse.

DameFanny · 07/09/2021 11:32

@Horehound

There's no hope. Her head is in the sand.

What I want to know is WHY is she standing up for him? She seems to just accept having low standards is ok? But the grabbing and dragging the kids thing is unforgivable and if she doesn't see that, she is complacent to their abuse.

She has a lot to process and may need time and encouragement to do so. Please don't discourage her - she's obviously a caring and resourceful person. Give her time please?
Horehound · 07/09/2021 11:35

She has consistently come back to say "oh but no one's perfect and maybe we should be kind and patient and no one is perfect".
No one is perfect but we don't all go around abusing kids and think that's ok.

No she needs nothing from me. Maybe some harsh reality might make her see sense!

FrauleinF · 07/09/2021 11:39

Another one wanting to apologise for my lettuce based puns earlier on in the thread when this all appeared a bit more lighthearted.

Seriously, OP, what you have disclosed is not acceptable behaviour from your D(ick)P...

BishBashBoshBush · 07/09/2021 11:44

You'll have lots more time to study when your kids are removed from you care.

DameFanny · 07/09/2021 12:50

You know nothing about the thought processes of victims of domestic abuse @Horehound. The OP is not abusing her children, and is trying to protect them from her P. Whilst her P is abusive, it's unlikely it would meet the bar for social services intervention based only on what the OP has disclosed.

But you're really not helping her, and by extension you're not helping her children either.

@Franklyfrost you could report your thread and ask Mumsnet to move it into the Relationships board, where you'd get fewer salad puns and more support. Pick any post, click the 3 dots, select report and then ask for a move in the dialogue box.

Franklyfrost · 07/09/2021 15:50

He’s not abusing the children. It’s impossible to explain how hard it is to have an older child who struggles to get through every day and moves from aggression to panic attack and doesn’t sleep. Add to that the effort of giving the younger kids some protection from their sibling and the time all the forms and therapy takes. That my dp has on a few occasions grabbed either of the older children is bad. But you have to balance it against the situation he’s in. Each time he’s done it the kids have told me and I’ve spoken to him. He knows I’m serious about him not doing it and he’s not happy that he lost his cool. It doesn’t make him a monster. Also, if he left eldest child would be destroyed, any change is hard and that would be awful.

There is a structural problem in our relationship and I’m aware of it. My partners relationship model is ‘I ask you for nothing and you ask me for nothing’ which is tough. I want to be given things without asking and I’m also really bad at asking for help so it doesn’t work so well.

I think you can look at small behaviours and extrapolate general attitudes. If you feel very slighted by someone being late then I’d say that shows a lack of awareness of your own flaws that others have to put up with. Also a tendency to unnecessary outrage. I might be wrong here, perhaps everyone else is never late, has the perfect relationship and glides through life. But I’m never going to obtain that!

Does anyone have a book recommendation for my partner? I think he’d read it, so long as it’s not called ‘How to stop being called a total dick by mumsnet’

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Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 07/09/2021 15:57

If my dh grabbed my dc he would be out. And reported for abuse..
You are at best naive..
At worst an enabler...

DameFanny · 07/09/2021 16:09

It's not about being late @Franklyfrost, it's about never supporting you in raising your joint children. It's about bringing back lettuce instead of cake ingredients. It's about being so crap at following a shopping list you did an online shop as well. It's about making you feel bad for not having studied, when you haven't had time to study and he's not helping you make time. It's about not pulling his weight financially with the bills, but making you feel like you couldn't cope if he wasn't there. It's about making you feel like a nag when you ask for the absolute minimum. It's about having a go at you when you leave your hairdryer on his side of the room on a house you own outright. It's about everything is always down to you and none of it to him and if you dare to question that you're 'having a go'.

But none of it's about being late.

DameFanny · 07/09/2021 16:14

Oh hell I'd forgotten you having to cancel your friends because he decided to go out and calls you controlling if you try to assert yourself Sad

He's controlling. I won't suggest any books for him to read because abusers are more likely to use that sort of thing against you. Ditto counselling.

DameFanny · 07/09/2021 16:39

*"He says more and more hurtful things and I feel sadder and sadder. Last fight was because I said I’d like to spend some time with him as a couple- like have a cup of tea together once the kids are in bed- he said no, he spent enough time with me and had no interest in me as a person. Then he says I mustn’t hold onto the things he says but also that I mustn’t infer anything from his behaviour and only pay attention to what he says.

But, here’s the thing, surely it works both ways. I don’t think dp is happy with me either. I have no idea why we start fighting, dp says it’s me- that I find a problem. What if he’s right? I don’t think he is but I can’t see our relationship from the outside"*

Here's the thing - we're looking at your relationship from the outside. He's abusing you Flowers

ZorbaTheHoarder · 07/09/2021 20:52

Why on earth would you want to stay with someone who is happy to tell you they have no interest in you as a person, OP?

Your son with special needs won't be destroyed if DP leaves. It will be a positive thing for him and for you all!

Things will NEVER get better with this guy, because he is happy the way they are, even if you are.not.

mathanxiety · 08/09/2021 22:20

Does anyone have a book recommendation for my partner? I think he’d read it, so long as it’s not called ‘How to stop being called a total dick by mumsnet’

It's all so qualified, isn't it?
A book he can read as long as it doesn't confront him with the truth about himself.

'He's nice with the children except when he isn't, and the times he hasn't been nice I have spoken to him about it, so he knows I'm serious about it, and he has felt bad - until he does it again'
You will always be in the position of chasing him down to explain to him what civilised behaviour around children looks like.

You are playing with words here - using phrases like 'he's not a monster' to defend behaviour that is unacceptable.

You do not have to balance behaviour against circumstances.
You have to balance behaviour against expectations.

You have to balance behaviour against what other people do in the same circumstances, and you have to look objectively at the effect of that behaviour. What effect does it have on you? Does it prevent you from rocking the boat? What about the effect on the children? Would you like a teacher to become aware of it? A social worker?

Nobody is perfect - this is another word game of yours - but that doesn't mean anyone stops making a huge effort to NOT mistreat a child in the house of his own mother. The reason a man mistreats a child under his mother's roof is to find out what he can get away with, to test the extent of his own power and to assess the weakness of the mother.

We’re in an odd situation where I’m studying at home to try and get back to work after the kids (two of which are biologically his and the two older kids were 2 & 4 when he moved in). I’ve always paid food bills for all of us and we live in my house (I inherited some money) dp pays utilities and half of the younger kids stuff like school bags etc. He pays extra hours at nursery for me to work, which is a big deal on his wage. As the study picks up- next year I’ll be on site, the year after on placement- we are going to have to adjust. I feel okay asking him to help as I pay for me and my older kids and some of him and the younger kids, besides I was at home looking after his babies too. But it’s a tricky situation and I have to navigate it.

My partners relationship model is ‘I ask you for nothing and you ask me for nothing’
What part of that ^^ makes you believe this cocklodger asks for nothing?
He is living in YOUR HOUSE - and he kicks up a stink when your hairdryer is in what he calls 'his' half of the room you share in YOUR HOUSE. He takes over YOUR HOUSE and boots you out so he can make a fucking cake in peace, and then upsets your plans to see friends because he decided to go out for the evening, leaving you cooling your heels in YOUR HOUSE.

He leaves you to take care of four children and do all the housework all day and comes home to mock you about your work, mistreats YOUR CHILDREN in YOUR HOUSE, in which you pay the bills, and you expect that he will 'adjust' next year when you are on site and have your placement for your studies?

Snap out of it. He complains to his mates about your studies, and he is going to sabotage you at every turn. Why would the prospect of you having a career and being able to support yourself and the four children be one he welcomes? He is living in YOUR HOUSE, for free, fgs.

He is playing with you here, trying to see if there is anything he says, any low insult, that causes you to show the smallest piece of backbone:
Last fight was because I said I’d like to spend some time with him as a couple- like have a cup of tea together once the kids are in bed- he said no, he spent enough time with me and had no interest in me as a person. Then he says I mustn’t hold onto the things he says but also that I mustn’t infer anything from his behaviour and only pay attention to what he says.

You are right that change is hard, but you need to pull up your big girl knickers and give this horrible man the boot.

Stop future-faking yourself.

Don't force the children to put up with this, and don't ascribe to them your own fear.

Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 09/09/2021 20:00

Is there a book about how not to abuse a dc?

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