To not want an awake child around at 11pm when I'm on holiday PART DEUX

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First thread

http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/4332702-to-not-want-an-awake-child-around-at-11pm-when-i-m-on-holiday

Come back OP because DH is drinking wine when I can't, the cat's being a needy bastard, and although my 17 month old is abiding by her strict 7pm bed time, I'm getting kicked in the bladder by a 8 month old foetus and this thread is all that's keeping me going.

I'm not normally one to be shouty but we all need to know:

ARE YOU PLAYING DOBBLE?

Hopefully OPs night has been full of and lovely convo with her mate.

Even if the friend isn’t on MN, I suspect other acquaintances of hers may have read this and put 2 and 2 together

Alyssa has them at mascara-point (like gunpoint but somehow worse). Her feet now look like a horrible psychedelic glitterball, she shuffles the Dobble cards...

So what's the money on?

1. Op and her friend are getting happily passed, kids in bed

1. Friend and Alyssa downstairs OP pissed in bed

1. Op friend found this thread and Fraggi under patio

1. Op driving home to avoid having to rebook for next year.

5...?

3

@NoraBlack I love you.

I am going to comment in defence of gentle parenting because it’s got a right bashing over the entirety of the threads.

I’ve got 11yr old twins and I don’t raise my voice. Not ever. They are both kind and well-behaved. They understand what’s expected of them and why. I’ve always talked to them when a problem has occurred. We have boundaries- and they absolutely understand that I will not hesitate to follow through if they are broken. Less punishment, more natural consequences if that makes sense.

Both my two are autistic and have a collection of associated conditions too. Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know? But gentle parenting has really worked for us and created a home which is peaceful and calm - something which is desperately needed with three autistic people in the house (I’m autistic too). It took me a while to figure out the right approach but gentle parenting really works for us. We’re not all shit parents with feral children 😂

Reading this thread I feel utterly infuriated with OP’s friend and Alyssa sounds awful. I would 100% have toddled off to my room with wine, snacks and Netflix probably much sooner than OP. Clearly OP and I disagree on lots of things about parenting but we’re all different aren’t we? I know what works for my kids and OP knows what works for hers. Neither of us have kids who are selfish or bratty so that shows there’s not a single right way to parent. Gentle parenting CAN be incredibly effective - but that doesn’t mean being a pushover. A child who is “unwell with tummy ache” doesn’t get to come downstairs and play with makeup at 10pm 😳😳😳 That’s not gentle parenting, that’s shit parenting.

I really hope they’re both blotto

@Yesitsbess somehow worse 😂😂

I've had to start commenting on other threads as this is so quiet

I’ll tell you what she’s doing. She’s PRAYING. And not having fun.
You wanton women should all be in bed now, it’s nearly 10 o’clock.

Alyssa has them at mascara-point

😂😂😂😂😂

@SpidersAreShitheads

I am going to comment in defence of gentle parenting because it’s got a right bashing over the entirety of the threads.

I’ve got 11yr old twins and I don’t raise my voice. Not ever. They are both kind and well-behaved. They understand what’s expected of them and why. I’ve always talked to them when a problem has occurred. We have boundaries- and they absolutely understand that I will not hesitate to follow through if they are broken. Less punishment, more natural consequences if that makes sense.

Both my two are autistic and have a collection of associated conditions too. Maybe that makes a difference, I don’t know? But gentle parenting has really worked for us and created a home which is peaceful and calm - something which is desperately needed with three autistic people in the house (I’m autistic too). It took me a while to figure out the right approach but gentle parenting really works for us. We’re not all shit parents with feral children 😂

Reading this thread I feel utterly infuriated with OP’s friend and Alyssa sounds awful. I would 100% have toddled off to my room with wine, snacks and Netflix probably much sooner than OP. Clearly OP and I disagree on lots of things about parenting but we’re all different aren’t we? I know what works for my kids and OP knows what works for hers. Neither of us have kids who are selfish or bratty so that shows there’s not a single right way to parent. Gentle parenting CAN be incredibly effective - but that doesn’t mean being a pushover. A child who is “unwell with tummy ache” doesn’t get to come downstairs and play with makeup at 10pm 😳😳😳 That’s not gentle parenting, that’s shit parenting.

I think there's a muddle generally on the thread about 'gentle parenting' and 'being railroaded by children'.

I rarely raise my voice, if I do my kids know I mean it. But that also doesn't mean that I'm shouting or disregarding their needs. Raising my voice means just that, not shouting, just speaking very clearly.

For us (and I've explained this to them when they were of an age to understand) it means "I don't have time to explain why you need to do what I say but you need to do it right now and I'll explain later".

I can 'command' my kids with an imperceptible eyebrow raise. Not because they're terrified of me, because they know that I'm the grown-up and I am handling the situation.

I take an awful lot of shenanigans from them, but they know where to stop.

1. OP has given in, sent DF to bed and is having a rave with Alyssa who’s she’s plied with whiskey and ice.

Well, I have drunk so much gin waiting to find out what's happening I will have to go to bed/go unconscious without finding out how the evening has panned out.

@BluebellsGreenbells

5. OP has given in, sent DF to bed and is having a rave with Alyssa who’s she’s plied with whiskey and ice.

Ooh interesting

@Ukholidaysaregreat please enjoy this picture of a hedgehog, a HEDGEHOG, stealing and entire thigh bone from the cats bowl. I took it because I was bored and waiting for OP to extract herself from dobble He'll.

1. The op has joined in, and formed a love for, river dancing 😬

Baby has just gone to sleep so I should try to sleep but I really want to know what's happening with OP!

Yes He'll

@Yesitsbess what a cutie!

Do I even want to know what Dobble is

Please no cliffhanger op! 🙃

@PartyPotato

Do I even want to know what Dobble is

Whatever you imagine Dobble to be the reality is worse.