to continue to support Extinction Rebellion

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carrying on from the first thread

here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4327567-to-support-extinction-rebellion-more-London-action-tomorrow?msgid=110225062#110225062

@Darker

By your response you would think XR had hijacked the ambulances and struck up camps to block access to hospitals and factories.

The events this week are widely publicised in advance, which give people a chance to find other routes to work or to their appointments.

Yes it's really easy for people to take a longer or more expensive route.

Especially, when they have no spare money or have a disability. Of course!

@Darker

By your response you would think XR had hijacked the ambulances and struck up camps to block access to hospitals and factories.

The events this week are widely publicised in advance, which give people a chance to find other routes to work or to their appointments.

Pathetic excuse for climate protesting. They'd do more for the climate if they all stayed home, gave up their cars, practiced safe sex and used a composting bin to recycle the manure they spout.

They're not drawing attention to climate issues or environment issues, they're drawing attention to themselves so they receive funding, which goes to pay some of them a good living.

@Darker

By your response you would think XR had hijacked the ambulances and struck up camps to block access to hospitals and factories.

The events this week are widely publicised in advance, which give people a chance to find other routes to work or to their appointments.

I should hope that man that missed his father's last moments is kicking himself that he hadn't planned his death around XR. No forethought whatsoever tsk

Hekatestorch

I said:

If you believe its too late to wait for people to make changes of their own accord then XRs actions are likely to feel more legitimate.

Please don't misquote me.

@BritinDelco

I'd XR want people to use public transport instead of cars why on earth would they disrupt public transport by using chemicals - glue- to disrupt public transport. And how did they get there in the 1st place? Bunch of sanctimonious b#$@ in my opinion

I disagreed with this action at all. And all the XR people I've talked to thought that these actions were stupid as well.

People keep on talking as if this was one homogenous mass. It isn't - it's a movement, and not everyone agrees with everything.

@Tealightsandd

The people being attacked by XR are less likely to drive (or fly) than XR 'protestors' are. The people living in London's deprived estates - whose bus journey to their minimum wage job or cab ride (because of mobility issues) to their hospital appointment is delayed by XR. Many of these people can't afford to drive at all.

Disabled and elderly people with mobility issues need cars and taxis to get around.

Meanwhile, away from essential car journeys, why are XR unbothered about millions of non essential international journeys (during a pandemic of all times)?

This post is nonsense from beginning to end.

XR aren't demonstrating "in London's deprived estates" - they were demonstrating in, err, Theatreland. There are low-income people who live in the West End, but really that's not the issue there.

Traffic in central London, including the West End, has been completely transformed recently by the migration of table dining in cafes and bars from the inside to the outside. Many, many roads have gone from two lanes to one, and you can drive a taxi down them, slowly, but zipping through the West End is something you can only really now do in your dreams. If you have deliveries, etc, you try and keep them to a minimum (eg one big delivery every six months, rather than a smaller delivery once a month) and you tell people not to bring a car into central London if they can at all help it. I can promise you that XR blocking one junction in Theatreland is as a drop in the ocean for traffic issues in central London, even if XR would wish it otherwise.

As for the whataboutery of XR being "unbothered" about nonessential flights - I have no doubt there are raging hypocrites in XR, as there are in every organisation and movement under the sun, but most environmental activists I know, whether in XR or not, are very bothered by plane flights. (I'm not in XR and - despite being an immigrant with beloved family overseas - decided several decades ago not to fly more than once every five years, because I was so worried about the climate. I know others who have done the same.)

@Darker

Hekatestorch

I said:

If you believe its too late to wait for people to make changes of their own accord then XRs actions are likely to feel more legitimate.

Please don't misquote me.

I am not misquoting you.

If XR do, by some miracle, make changes. It will be because individuals made changes of their own accord. Like people supporting them. Orbthem changi g their tactics.

What you meant is its too late for people to reduce their personal carbon footprint prints of their own accord.

XR won't get anywhere without public support. With would be people choosing to support then of their own accord. You know making changes.

And again, who makes you or anybody the people who decided who loses their home, who doesn't get medical treatment. Who doesn't get to be with dying family?

You are along people who have to live in the now, to accept a load more shit, because of sometime in the future. Some people can't even look as far as the next pay day.

How is hurting those people changing anything? It's really really not.

YANBU- it's quite literally the end of the world at stake here.

It really isn't.

The world will be here for millions more years.

We won't be.

I'm not sure why people think we're so important that we're going to be around for the end of the world.

Do you really think blocking a junction in London, doesn't spread traffic to other places? And how much do you think theatre workers earn?

They already work long hours, but let's make them have to plans around XR and leave even earlier. That helps the climate crisis?

As for the whataboutery of XR being "unbothered" about nonessential flights - I have no doubt there are raging hypocrites in XR, as there are in every organisation and movement under the sun, but most environmental activists I know, whether in XR or not, are very bothered by plane flights. (I'm not in XR and - despite being an immigrant with beloved family overseas - decided several decades ago not to fly more than once every five years, because I was so worried about the climate. I know others who have done the same.)

Its not about XR having some hypocrites. It's run by hypocrites and alot of the people in it, are also hypocrites.

Again, I have asked and no one answered so I am guessing the answer is no. Did XR publicly state they would prefer Emma Thompson to not fly in to support them? Or were they well aware of what she was doing?

The problem is people can see them causing people problems. Then doing things they say are harmful. Such as littering, flying, driving, diesel cars, putting their own health in front of the environment, when they believe other peolels health should come second to it.

When people can see all this, XR lose any credibility they ever had.

This thread isn't about environmental activists. It's about XR, particularly. So yes, people will be discussing their ridiculous antics and hypocrisy.

Mining for fossil fuels doesn’t necessarily mean we are going to burn all of them and add to the CO2. They’re used in so many necessary industries and objects. So to object to new oil mines is just being plain biased and prejudiced in your thoughts about oil.
Your starter for 10 on the damage fossil fuel extraction can do even if we stop burning them:
• health impacts on coal miners
• acid run-off from coal mines
• methane release - whether vented or flared it contributes to global heating
• soil and biodiversity impact from surface mining
• water pollution
• water consumption
• oil spills
• energy consumption in drilling tar sands
• energy consumption in transporting fossil fuels
• additional accident risks in transporting them

Those are just for the highlight reel! Loads more. Not all of these are directly “greenhouse gas emissions therefore global warming”, but climate change isn’t simply about limiting the overheating; the earth has to be considered as a whole system so something like surface mining, which has a detrimental effect on local landscapes and contributes to mudslides and flooding, goes hand in hand with the increasing risk of heavy rainfall from climate change.

But I know you know all this anyway, and you’re just a climate troll! Hope it’s helpful to someone more sensible, though, who doesn’t introduce straw man nonsense like “it’s like banning cycles because of lubrication oil”, when you know full well it isn’t. Start behaving yourself.

Didn't we establish the XR is in fact not active in alot of countries, despite op insisting they were active in China?

Several posters have asked for evidence of XRs activities in China and answer has come there none - not surprisingly since they don’t do activities in China as they know what the consequences would be.
Instead they blame UK for China’s pollution problems.
I agree, UK shouldn’t export waste to China, but were that to stop, would China then be pollution free? I don’t think so.

I think it’s partly some posters have an instinctive sympathy with a country that’s at least nominally communist - Look how Cuba’s poor record human rights is overlooked - if a country with a fascist regime was a major polluter it would get a less easy ride.

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I do love Jonathan Pie.

Who is giving China a free ride?

The point is that people in the UK can hold the powers that be in the UK to account. We can demand companies root out modern slavery in their supply chains, for example.

@Darker

Who is giving China a free ride?

The point is that people in the UK can hold the powers that be in the UK to account. We can demand companies root out modern slavery in their supply chains, for example.

You could do that... Or you could lie in a road and annoy people that have no control over those things.

XR might have had some valid points to make, but they have crossed the line between protest and anarchy and have lost the opportunity for wider support.

They could have engaged with the public and become a political party, but now their actions are undemocratic. They are lazy like terrorists who want to ignore that fact that some people don't agree with them.

XR will get taken over by extremists, exactly as has happened to the once moderate Green Peace.

There is already a political party. What would be the point?

Darker
XR in the UK holds the UK to account
The point is that people in the UK can hold the powers that be in the UK to account.

They were protesting outside the Brazilian Embassy in London this morning - 'taking the fight to President Bolsonaro.'

Once XR came out as anti scientific, said that people could change sex, and that transwomen are women, I couldn't take another thing they said seriously.

Who is giving China a free ride?

From the XR website:

The greater problem at the moment is that for most Chinese people simple improvements in their quality of life are a far more immediate concern than the climate and ecological emergency.

The whole world needs to reorganise on a scale we haven’t really seen before and as retired detective sergeant of the Metropolitan Police, Paul Stephens, says, you can’t ask another passenger to take their feet off the seats when you’ve still got yours up there.

But you can drive your own kids around in a diesel fuelled car when it suits you.

Do you really think blocking a junction in London, doesn't spread traffic to other places? And how much do you think theatre workers earn?

I work in the area, and I'm pretty sure I earn less than most theatre workers.

I had to walk around the block to get to the tube, to get home. Errr, that's it. That's the level of the disruption I faced. I haven't heard any of my neighbours in the local area complain. A surprising number were sporting XR stickers by the end of the day, which surprised me.

The football fans, though, were another breed entirely. We had to shut one office door (that they threw bottles at), I had to call the cops because of the punchups in the street, they left MOUNTAINS of litter behind over half the West End, they pissed over the other half, they trashed a photography exhibition in a church courtyard, and even bloody tescos had to shut because of the danger of drunk people fighting to buy alcohol. Now THAT was an inconvenience to all us poor deprived inner-city workers.

@Hotcuppatea

Once XR came out as anti scientific, said that people could change sex, and that transwomen are women, I couldn't take another thing they said seriously.

Totally agree with this - but XR is a movement, not just an organisation, and I personally know GC women who are part of it. I have no inclination to be a part of it, though I certainly understand their actions - but I also don't confuse the arseholes who run the office with the many people who are part of the movement. (See, for example, all political parties, etc etc.)

Are you just attention seeking OP. Perhaps you should join the protests instead of virtue signalling on here.

By the way, they are not protesting, they are just sunbathing and having a good time out in central London because the weather is nice. It’s all ridiculously shallow and obvious.

They did knock up an impressively large pink table the other day, mind.

It got dismantled and removed by the police though; what a completely unexpected waste of resources...

XR picked the nicest middle of summer time and near a bank holiday to have some kind of posh people's jolly on Oxford St disrupting small and big businesses alike because it does not care about people's need to feed themselves or get to work.