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to continue to support Extinction Rebellion

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54321nought · 24/08/2021 20:18

carrying on from the first thread

here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4327567-to-support-extinction-rebellion-more-London-action-tomorrow?msgid=110225062#110225062

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Waxonwaxoff0 · 25/08/2021 07:04

@Darker

People know about XR (even if they misunderstand them).

I had never heard the term ‘climate emergency’ before XR. They are keeping the subject in the public eye.

So do you think it's acceptable to disrupt public transport systems and therefore disrupt the lives of the working classes trying to make a living?
Indecisivelurcher · 25/08/2021 07:05

Name an issue akin to climate change that's been resolved without public protest and disruption?! There isn't one, not that I can think of! So absolutely XR has a role.

You don't have to be a perfect eco hero vegan with dreadlocks living off grid in a yurt and only crapping rose petals to think that 'the system' needs to change. In fact you probably can't, because the system needs to change! That's the point of things like the lady who said she drives a diesel car. These are just normal people, who think that governments, countries, businesses, need to fucking get on with things. And if she was an off-grid vegan then no one would listen to her!

SimonJT · 25/08/2021 07:06

@Darker

Do those of you who object to XR think the threat from climate change is not real? Or that it’s not very serious or urgent?
I’m aware climate change is real, I’m also very concerned about it.

That doesn’t mean I support a group that causes criminal damage, litters, verbally abuses people or stops people and pets accessing vital medical care.

Darker · 25/08/2021 07:09

So why is this government opening up new oil fields? What about the companies eyeing up the Antarctic when the ice melts?

Yes lots is being done but more needs to be done. Scientists agree on this.

The public are just as likely to object to extra cycle lanes, wind farms and price hikes on energy bills as they are to measures that harm the environment.

SimonJT · 25/08/2021 07:09

@54321nought

Why do they never protest in sleepy market towns and villages. In the affluent shires - where the CEOs and policy makers live? Where most of them themselves live.

because they never attack individuals

( and no, thats not where most of them live...)

Oh, so the fact that XR members verbally abuse people isn’t attacking individuals? What about the fact that they smash windows of private properties, how is that not attacking windows?

Does this mean I can verbally abuse you, smash up your home and legitimately claim I didn’t attack you?

Theluggage15 · 25/08/2021 07:10

They’re a bunch of useless, hypocritical wankers. I’m laughing at the ‘Lots of retired doctors, lawyers , teachers, police etc are there’. Oh how lovely, the middle classes at play! What a jolly time they’re all having, they can chat about it when they’re on their next holiday in Costa Rica.

The government don’t give a shit about them apart from knowing that they annoy the majority of the public. The fact that they’re causing problems for ordinary working people and small businesses that have had such a hard time during the pandemic makes me loathe them even more.

PlanDeRaccordement · 25/08/2021 07:12

@Darker

So why is this government opening up new oil fields? What about the companies eyeing up the Antarctic when the ice melts?

Yes lots is being done but more needs to be done. Scientists agree on this.

The public are just as likely to object to extra cycle lanes, wind farms and price hikes on energy bills as they are to measures that harm the environment.

Because most oil isn’t actually burned as fuel but used in medicines, cosmetics and so on.

The Antarctic is sitting in huge geothermal energy sources a million times larger than what Iceland, the only carbon neutral country, uses for their energy. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to capture that natural, carbon free energy?

Hekatestorch · 25/08/2021 07:13

@Indecisivelurcher

Name an issue akin to climate change that's been resolved without public protest and disruption?! There isn't one, not that I can think of! So absolutely XR has a role.

You don't have to be a perfect eco hero vegan with dreadlocks living off grid in a yurt and only crapping rose petals to think that 'the system' needs to change. In fact you probably can't, because the system needs to change! That's the point of things like the lady who said she drives a diesel car. These are just normal people, who think that governments, countries, businesses, need to fucking get on with things. And if she was an off-grid vegan then no one would listen to her!

Normal people that fly to Costa Rica? For a holiday and then say it was actually because she needed medical treatment not available here?

The same woman who organises protests, that preventing people getting to appointments for their own medical care?

The climate crisis comes in front of other peoples medical care, but not her own?

It wasn't ever about the diesel car alone.

Also the woman that insisted the manager at a bank can and will give consent for their window to be smashed?

What is an ordinary person? What ordinary person can afford to spend days dicking around in London disrupting people? Fly to Costa Rica for medical care?

Darker · 25/08/2021 07:15

Because most oil isn’t actually burned as fuel but used in medicines, cosmetics and so on

What?

anon12345678901 · 25/08/2021 07:17

@Indecisivelurcher

Name an issue akin to climate change that's been resolved without public protest and disruption?! There isn't one, not that I can think of! So absolutely XR has a role.

You don't have to be a perfect eco hero vegan with dreadlocks living off grid in a yurt and only crapping rose petals to think that 'the system' needs to change. In fact you probably can't, because the system needs to change! That's the point of things like the lady who said she drives a diesel car. These are just normal people, who think that governments, countries, businesses, need to fucking get on with things. And if she was an off-grid vegan then no one would listen to her!

Oh please, what a stupid comment. And actually I'm pretty sure Electric cars exist, why doesn't she have one of those? Instead of her diesel? And why does she go on holiday where it involves a flight? That's not necessary. They are hypocrites, do as I say not do as I do. And yes, they do need to change their individual contributions as well, they keep banging on about everyone doing their bit, well there's a few easy things for them. All members to drive electric cars and not go abroad on holiday.
PlanDeRaccordement · 25/08/2021 07:24

@Darker

Because most oil isn’t actually burned as fuel but used in medicines, cosmetics and so on

What?

Yes, do some research. Here is an article to start you off. Even if all our cars, trains, planes and ships stopped using oil, we’d still need it for medicine and medical equipment and supplies. For example, the main ingredient in aspirin is made from petroleum oil.

context.capp.ca/articles/2019/feature_petroleum-in-real-life_pills/

Indecisivelurcher · 25/08/2021 07:30

@anon12345678901 and @Hekatestorch she says she drives diesel and can't afford electric. So because of that, she can't say anything about climate change? I don't agree with that. The point I'm trying to make is that most XR people are normal people, and therefore not perfect. I don't know this particular woman and what she does or doesn't do, she could still be a dick for all I know. Many people are. But even dicks should be talking about climate change at this point!

Sounds like I'm allowed to talk about it, at I drive an electric car and don't fly... So that's good! I'm not vegan though so maybe not...

PlanDeRaccordement · 25/08/2021 07:32

Name an issue akin to climate change that's been resolved without public protest and disruption?! There isn't one, not that I can think of! So absolutely XR has a role.

The suffragettes actually delayed votes for women in the U.K. with their violent protest actions. If you read the in depth history on it, it explains eloquently that women’s votes wouldn’t have been limited to only older, married women after WWI if it weren’t for the suffragettes.

When the U.K. students objected to the tuition fees rising to £9,000/yr, they actually had Parliament on their side until they engaged in protests that were violent and caused disruption and vandalism. It was because of the protests that Parliament passed the tuition fee rise.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 25/08/2021 07:33

[quote Indecisivelurcher]**@anon12345678901* and @Hekatestorch* she says she drives diesel and can't afford electric. So because of that, she can't say anything about climate change? I don't agree with that. The point I'm trying to make is that most XR people are normal people, and therefore not perfect. I don't know this particular woman and what she does or doesn't do, she could still be a dick for all I know. Many people are. But even dicks should be talking about climate change at this point!

Sounds like I'm allowed to talk about it, at I drive an electric car and don't fly... So that's good! I'm not vegan though so maybe not...[/quote]
Talk about it all you want, but stop disrupting the lives of the working classes.

Cam2020 · 25/08/2021 07:34

When are you going to China to protest?

Darker · 25/08/2021 07:34

Even if all our cars, trains, planes and ships stopped using oil, we’d still need it for medicine and medical equipment and supplies

That’s very, very different from saying most oil is used for those things. And of course we need transportation. But we need to vastly reduce our reliance on oil and gas.

This will involve a change in our way of life, probably as radical as the changes we’ve made as a result of using these resources and learning how to make plastic etc.

Cam2020 · 25/08/2021 07:35

Talk about it all you want, but stop disrupting the lives of the working classes.

Who also can't afford to drive electric cars or to miss work, most likely.

burritofan · 25/08/2021 07:38

And the totally non-biased source of that “we still need to drill for fossil fuels” article is… drumroll… the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

ActonSquirrel · 25/08/2021 07:42

@Darker

Do those of you who object to XR think the threat from climate change is not real? Or that it’s not very serious or urgent?
Judging the way people on here are losing their shit over holidays and PCR tests I'd wager they know but don't care
Hekatestorch · 25/08/2021 07:44

[quote Indecisivelurcher]**@anon12345678901* and @Hekatestorch* she says she drives diesel and can't afford electric. So because of that, she can't say anything about climate change? I don't agree with that. The point I'm trying to make is that most XR people are normal people, and therefore not perfect. I don't know this particular woman and what she does or doesn't do, she could still be a dick for all I know. Many people are. But even dicks should be talking about climate change at this point!

Sounds like I'm allowed to talk about it, at I drive an electric car and don't fly... So that's good! I'm not vegan though so maybe not...[/quote]
But she has, in tbe time had enough money to fly to Costa Rica? She went from skint, to having that sort of money?

She also said she bought the diesel cat when emissions faked to be lower. What has she done to speak about this and the emission scandal.

Something that has impacted her personally, has duped people into thinking they were making a green choice and is damaging the environment? You know, the climate change activist.

Oh thats right. She did nothing until it was brought up to her and THEN she bought it during the emissions scandal and now she can't afford it.

Again, as I said before. If she went to Costa Rica for a holiday its bad. If she went for medical treatment, it's bad. Because she is happy for other people to not get access to medical care, to put this fight first.

But her own health came before the climate crisis.

She doesn't have to be perfect. But she isn't even doing the basics.

ActonSquirrel · 25/08/2021 07:46

I object to XR as it is just wanton destruction. Most of them have taken no steps to reduce their own carbon footprint.

Also the human race will go extinct. It will. The question is when not if. There were species here millennia before we existed and there will species after us. If the human race goes extinct so be it.

Hekatestorch · 25/08/2021 07:49

Judging the way people on here are losing their shit over holidays and PCR tests I'd wager they know but don't care

Yes because most people on this thread are complaining about xr blocking their pcr test, for their holiday.

Oh nope, that's not correct is it.

Darker · 25/08/2021 07:51

Most of them have taken no steps to reduce their own carbon footprint

You cannot possibly substantiate this.

I’m not interested in picking out individual people to prove otherwise, I’m interested in this huge generalisation you are making about XR people and their life choices.

ActonSquirrel · 25/08/2021 07:51

What I meant was they don't care about climate change because they are losing it over their holidays and plenty of threads are cropping up with people wanting a long haul holiday with a minimum 10 hour flight.

Sorry you didn't get that. Where did I say XR had anything to do with pcr tests?! Confused

Most people don't care about climate change the way they are going on about their holidays. Was that clear enough for you this time.

Seagullsstopit · 25/08/2021 07:55

@54321nought

They are not out to educate, or persuade the public, they are out to disrupt, and get government attention
They should disrupt parliament then and leave the ordinary working class people that are trying to get to work/hospital appointments/to visit dying relatives the fuck alone.

Without public support, you are nothing.