to continue to support Extinction Rebellion

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carrying on from the first thread

here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4327567-to-support-extinction-rebellion-more-London-action-tomorrow?msgid=110225062#110225062

Um
They’re disrupting government on purpose - last I heard government doesn’t preside in little chortlington, the shires.

But Parliament is in recess until the 6th September, how is this disrupting them?
www.parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/business-faq-page/recess-dates/

@Tealightsandd

Why do XR attack the most vulnerable in society? How does that 'get the message across'?... unless their message is hate of the elderly, disabled, and poor.

I wonder how many people will die because of this latest festival of disruption in densely populated overcrowded London? The city with 165,000 vulnerable homeless, over 1 million elderly, and millions more clinically vulnerable. Covid cases, hospitalisations, and deaths already rising.

The media is reporting 'concerns' about tourists in Cornwall during the pandemic. No such concerns apparently for the millions of vulnerable Londoners.

How many people will die or suffer because XR's road blocks delay ambulances and travel to hospital?

How many victims of violent crime including domestic abuse victims and vulnerable children/teenagers caught up in gang crime will be injured or die because the overstretched Metropolitan Police are busy with the arrogant XR lot - with their pathetic little floppy trick, deliberately taking as many police as possible to arrest them.

And on each of the other 364 days of the year, the 6 million car journeys made in London - that's 6 million every day - caused absolutely no problems at all, didn't kill anyone, didn't make anyone horribly ill, didn't obstruct ordinary people trying to get to work or appointments on public transport, didn't give anyone asthma, didn't park on the pavements obstructing wheelchair access, didn't mean people paved their front gardens for car parks and increased the risks of flooding, didn't jam the roads, didn't cause noise pollution, didn't dither about in the middle of the junction when an ambulance was trying to get by, didn't run a red light thereby wasting the oh-so-valuable time of the police who could have been saving a domestic violence victim, etc etc.

Where's your impassioned beat poetry slamming car drivers, Tealightsanddd?

@Excelthetube

Um They’re disrupting government on purpose - last I heard government doesn’t preside in little chortlington, the shires.

What do you care about? Your office/workplace, or your home?

Yeah ok. So XR are 'sticking it to the man' - the government - by disrupting the lives of the working class often deprived social housing residents of central London. Making it difficult for them to get to their minimum wage job in hospitality (precarious already due to the pandemic).

Delaying ambulances and causing distress to elderly, disabled, and ill patients trying to get to their hospital appointments. Erm, how does that stop climate change?

And yes as a pp says, Parliament is in recess.

Why are XR so unbothered about polluting flights? I wonder who flys (and drives) and pollutes more...the residents of London's deprived estates, or the average XR attendee of this fortnight's attack on Londoners?

Why do they never protest in sleepy market towns and villages. In the affluent shires - where the CEOs and policy makers live? Where most of them themselves live.

because they never attack individuals

( and no, thats not where most of them live...)

because they never attack individuals

They atrack lots of individuals. Mainly the poor, most often Londoners. Almost always, the disabled (who suffer hugely from road blocks).

You know what the prime cause of roadblocks and traffic jams is, tealightsanddd? Cars. Every damn day, cars. Making unnecessary journeys. All those evil cars, driven by people who according to your logic, hate the poor and hate the disabled.

Like the government gives a shit about Londoners.

How is causing disruption, distress, and danger to Londoners going to help climate change?

What, XR are claiming if they attack Londoners the government will get upset. London is the capital of homelessness. 165,000 Londoners without the basic essential of a secure home. Then there's the serious gang crime issues - the near daily stabbings (and increasingly, shootings).

But XR causing difficulty for Londoners, including delaying travel to hospital. That will sort things. Because the government cares so much about Londoners. In a parallel universe maybe.

@ArcheryAnnie

You know what the prime cause of roadblocks and traffic jams is, tealightsanddd? Cars. Every damn day, cars. Making unnecessary journeys. All those evil cars, driven by people who according to your logic, hate the poor and hate the disabled.

Traffic jams caused by XR deliberately causing them. Deliberately causing extsa pollution - by blocking roads... causing traffic jams.

London has the lowest number of car drivers in the UK. Nevertheless, in London and elsewhere, many disabled people rely on cars or taxis to get around. That's the thing about mobility issues.

XR. So concerned about climate change and pollution... Funny how they've been saying fuck all over the last 18 months about all the non essential international travel - going on during a pandemic. If ever there was a time to ration polluting flights...

Traffic jams caused by XR deliberately causing them. Deliberately causing extsa pollution - by blocking roads... causing traffic jams

Tealightsanddd your focus on extinction rebellion being the cause of all evil is looking distinctly odd. You do realise that it's the six million car journeys that happen each day in London that are the problem, not a day of very, very localised protest?

The people being attacked by XR are less likely to drive (or fly) than XR 'protestors' are. The people living in London's deprived estates - whose bus journey to their minimum wage job or cab ride (because of mobility issues) to their hospital appointment is delayed by XR. Many of these people can't afford to drive at all.

Disabled and elderly people with mobility issues need cars and taxis to get around.

Meanwhile, away from essential car journeys, why are XR unbothered about millions of non essential international journeys (during a pandemic of all times)?

Most Londoners don’t drive, vehicle journeys tend to be commercial. Many London boroughs have brought in LTNs (Loe Traffic Neighbourhoods) to increase cycling further
www.statista.com/statistics/314912/average-number-of-cars-per-household-in-england/

@ArcheryAnnie

Traffic jams caused by XR deliberately causing them. Deliberately causing extsa pollution - by blocking roads... causing traffic jams

Tealightsanddd your focus on extinction rebellion being the cause of all evil is looking distinctly odd. You do realise that it's the six million car journeys that happen each day in London that are the problem, not a day of very, very localised protest?

This still make no sense. If you feel car travel needs reducing in London, that's fine. If you think that needs tackling. That's fine.

But you need to look and who why people are driving. You need to make sure you aren't negatively impacting the people who need to drive. Making disabled people's lives harder 'cause traffic is bad anyway', just isn't ok.

Stopping the poorest in society getting to work isn't ok.

They aren't impacting people of siginficanace. They are impacting people the government doesn't care about either.

I said it several times on the last thread
You can care about the climate crisis AND you can care about disabled people lives being made harder AND care about people being blocked from getting to their paid job AND dislike XR.

Supporting XR is not the only way to show you care about the climate crisis. You can recognise that lots of XR (including its leaders) are hugely hypocritical and libe a very different life to what the expect from others. You can also believe that they are using the climate crisis as an excuse to be dicks. One of the leaders doesn't even understand consent.

My main confusion, regarding these threads, is that op is a teacher, as stated on the last thread. It's school holidays, in England. Why isn't she there already? Because she doesn't want to risk any impact to her own paid work. She is waiting until she is retired, so there's no risk to the money she has coming in. But shrugs her shoulders at other people not being able to earn money.

If Op wanted to support XR, she could. She could have been there yesterday.

We had an XR protect here.easy than 10 people lay on the pavement outside one of the finance buildings (jp Morgan chase) I think.

It didn’t cause much disruption. People just stepped over them.

A while ago they demonstrated by cycling along our dual carriage way which ordinarily you’re not allowed to do. To cause disruption for people going to work. The police had to be involved because the road was closed for safety. They cycled at 7am. Would have caused more disruption doing this at 8…because that’s when the road is at its busiest.

Everything they’ve done here (jersey) has been anticlimactic. And hasn’t caused as much disruption as they initially set out to do. Because it’s all advertised weeks in advance to get as many people involved as possible but there’s always a small turnout. So it doesn’t have the desired effect

Bunch of hypocrite wankers.

Let's face it though if it wasn't climate change it'd be something else.

People like this thrive on being in a mob. Well until they get threatened then they wilt.

I'd XR want people to use public transport instead of cars why on earth would they disrupt public transport by using chemicals - glue- to disrupt public transport. And how did they get there in the 1st place? Bunch of sanctimonious b#$@ in my opinion

There are dozens of demonstrations in London every year, for all sorts of reasons. Do the objectors also object to them?

They just hate poor people and the vulnerable.

This statement is completely amazing .

I think the way people try to deflect from the climate discussion is interesting, they'll say pretty much anything to not discuss the climate itself.

@Darker

There are dozens of demonstrations in London every year, for all sorts of reasons. Do the objectors also object to them?

I object to any protest that deliberately gets in the way of normal folk trying to get to work.

Extinction Rebellion are a bunch of hypocritical sanctimonious arseholes.

Valid cause, wrong methods/tactics.

@Darker

There are dozens of demonstrations in London every year, for all sorts of reasons. Do the objectors also object to them?

Depends. And to be fair, I am not sure everyone is objecting to XR protesting. They are objecting to XR tactics, the hypocrisy and lack or actually doing anything that helps.

If they wanted to just protest, I can't imagine many propel would be bothered.

@lannistunut

They just hate poor people and the vulnerable.

This statement is completely amazing .

I think the way people try to deflect from the climate discussion is interesting, they'll say pretty much anything to not discuss the climate itself.

But we aren't discuss the climate itself. We are discussing XR and why people don't support them. People aren't saying they don't support them 'because fuck the environment'.

The last thread had loads of things XR could do to gain more support from people AND other things they could do.

If you care about the climate crisis, you don't have an obligation to like or support XR.

Most other protests are ignorable and small, so people don't notice them. People would be fine with XR if they were ignorable too.

The fact that people are calling them wankers etc presumably falls under the category of 'publicity'. Most protests get ignored, which is the worst thing. Getting opposed is presumably fine by them.

People know about XR (even if they misunderstand them).

I had never heard the term ‘climate emergency’ before XR. They are keeping the subject in the public eye.

YABU
XR are liars and hypocrites. They lie and say there is inaction, that nothing has been done and take credit for “raising awarenesd” about a problem which everyone is already aware of and governments have been addressing since the 1970s. Then, as other posters have pointed out, their protests and methods only increase greenhouse gases and increase pollution. Not only is there no point in making everyone aware of a problem like climate change, it is hypocritcal to protest in a way that only worsens the problem. They should be ashamed to exist.

The world has already done much to tackle the problems of pollution, especially the pollutants that affect climate change. The worldwide ban in 1987 on CFCs for example has been recognised by scientists as resulting in today being 1.5 C cooler than it would have been had the world not acted...back in 1987.

The whole CO Pact has been around since the 1990s and most of the world has reduced per capita CO2 output and is on track to be carbon neutral in the near future.

XR are like anti flood protesters showing up while Noah is finishing the Ark, vandalising the Ark and complaining that nothing is being done to save the animals and pretending that Noah wouldn’t be building the Ark if it wasn’t for them. Even though he started the Ark long before XR even existed.