to continue to support Extinction Rebellion

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carrying on from the first thread

here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4327567-to-support-extinction-rebellion-more-London-action-tomorrow?msgid=110225062#110225062

@Darker

As far as I’m aware there were a few occasions when activists disrupted public transport, but XR didn’t like it. During the big bridge takeovers the stations remained open. At least, that’s what I recall.

XR planned to disrupt the tube and only admitted that was a mistake after their members got dragged to floor and violently attacked by members of the public.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/20/extinction-rebellion-tube-protest-was-a-mistake

Sarah Lunnon, a member of XR’s political circle, said: “There is absolutely no shrinking away from the fact that we have got to learn from what happened around the Tube, most especially within our own internal decision making.

“Obviously we did not get that right. People have given up their jobs to join XR, for them to be so upset and so dismayed by the action is an absolute pointer to us that we have to look again at how we make those decisions.”

So to say XR didn't like it, when they planned it, is a bit misleading.

Can we please be honest here? We are talking about middle-class, privileged people here with little concept of the real world. This group is divided into SAHMs and retired Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, etc. I'm not knocking them for being bored and wanting a hobby to occupy their time and to provide discussion at the next dinner party. However, when it impacts on the rest of us, then that is just not on.

@Hekatestorch Please stop making up rubbish. This XR feel it's for their own good. The view that you are supporting. is not a view I espouse at all.

I said right back at the very outset that I agree with XR's aims but think their tactics need a bit of a review.

I do believe in the right to protest and would always defend a person's right to protest, even where I fully disagree with what they are protesting about.

There's no good talking at length as your answers don't relate to what I even post, so I will leave it there. Other than to say again I really dislike the repeated use of the term 'poor people' as though discussing a separate category of being.

Lol. "End of the world"!! A tad dramatic, don't you think?

@Baluchistan95 erm no. That's literally what ER are concerned about.

Yes, bit bemused by people who think the climate crisis is not the end of the world!

[quote lannistunut]**@Hekatestorch* Please stop making up rubbish. This XR feel it's for their own good. The view that you are supporting.* is not a view I espouse at all.

I said right back at the very outset that I agree with XR's aims but think their tactics need a bit of a review.

I do believe in the right to protest and would always defend a person's right to protest, even where I fully disagree with what they are protesting about.

There's no good talking at length as your answers don't relate to what I even post, so I will leave it there. Other than to say again I really dislike the repeated use of the term 'poor people' as though discussing a separate category of being.[/quote]
Oh yes, it's me making up rubbish.

You have decided anyone objecting to XR because if the damage they cause to actual people, to be faux concerned and patronising. Based on nothing.

Or maybe it's based on you just like people who disagree with you.

You are essentially trying to shut down anyone who has concerns about the people being impacted.

Most things on these threads has been repeated. New people join, people miss things etc. Are you trying to allocate how many times people can mention certain points?

You have said you don't like it over and over again. Is that not allowed?

You don't get to decide people's motives or intentions.

@lannistunut

Yes, bit bemused by people who think the climate crisis is not the end of the world!

Justifies their cause really imo 🤷🏻‍♀️

The climate crisis is not the end of the world. Humans are on the planet for only a tiny blink of an eye and never expected to be here for long. As is common on the planet things change from various reasons including in this case actions of men. Once man kind has gone that is definitely not the end of the planet and all kinds of other things can thrive.

@lannistunut

Yes, bit bemused by people who think the climate crisis is not the end of the world!

We're all going to die, lol. Seriously, get a grip.

@Hekatestorch

When you say 'you don't get to decide people's motives or intentions', I think you are bring hugely hypocritical.

Repeatedly you've done precisely that.

Bring = being

XR discussed on Radio 4 Any Questions? this week plus Any Answers? this afternoon. Very interesting.

@Darker

XR discussed on Radio 4 Any Questions? this week plus Any Answers? this afternoon. Very interesting.

Yes I listened to it earlier and was very interested there were two Quakers on the panel which presumably influenced their views on protest and lawbreaking.

It was a very pro-XR audience by the sounds of it, I was surprised at that.

@Darker

Do those of you who object to XR think the threat from climate change is not real? Or that it’s not very serious or urgent?
I think climate change is real, I also think that it's serious and real. I cannot, however, support XR. Their tactics are terrible, they are hypocrites (see Emma and the plane and the leader and the diesel, see the plastic waste they leave behind) and now they've got a woman running round in the nud claiming she's drawing attention to XR when really she's drawing attention to herself. They have completely turned me against them, I shall continue making my own difference in my own way. The government will never cave to these people, they just don't have enough of the public behind them.

they just don't have enough of the public behind them.

You are wrong. I think most of those that have been educated and are aware of the science want to see action. You’d be daft not to ... (do I ... a. Want to keep things as they are which will lead to our children experiencing hardship we can’t begin to imagine and human extinction, Or b. Make sacrifices to our very greedy and comfortable lives now to help our children have more safety and security and avoid human extinction?). Most people would chose b surely. Otherwise it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas! NB: people across the world are already dying and it’s only going to get worse.

Xenia

The climate crisis is not the end of the world. Humans are on the planet for only a tiny blink of an eye and never expected to be here for long. As is common on the planet things change from various reasons including in this case actions of men. Once man kind has gone that is definitely not the end of the planet and all kinds of other things can thrive.

Agree. The planet will be much better off if we become extinct. It’s just a question of whether we are happy to die off - bearing in mind the suffering we and our children will experience in the process. I’d rather fight for survival personally.

Of course we are not the only species that will die out so we should hold some responsibility for other animals and their fate too IMO...

@Lostmarbles2021

they just don't have enough of the public behind them.

You are wrong. I think most of those that have been educated and are aware of the science want to see action. You’d be daft not to ... (do I ... a. Want to keep things as they are which will lead to our children experiencing hardship we can’t begin to imagine and human extinction, Or b. Make sacrifices to our very greedy and comfortable lives now to help our children have more safety and security and avoid human extinction?). Most people would chose b surely. Otherwise it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas! NB: people across the world are already dying and it’s only going to get worse.

With that “making a statement that’s utter bollocks with no proof,” I’d almost think you were the OP. @Onetraumaatatimeplease is absolutely right. A majority of the public, when polled, are against XR and their tactics (lest you say it’s just their tactics). 54% are against their tactics of shutting down London and in fact, 34% strongly oppose it as opposed to 13% strongly supporting it www.statista.com/chart/19613/opinion-on-extinction-rebellion-protests-uk/ And then the organization itself: Only 19% positive support. And 35% negative. The non-profits on either side of them in this list, #126 and #128, have only 2% and 4% negative ratings. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/not-for-profit/Extinction_Rebellion?content=all

But as that link shows, they ARE famous. They’ve been heard of by 73% of people. And that’s all they seem to want. So, do continue.

That poll was done in 2019 in the month of the protest.

I'd be interested to see if public opinion has shifted in the ensuing two years and the developing consensus that climate change is man made and that action is needed now.

I noticed that a different, June 2021 poll on the same site found that only 38% believed climate change was mainly due to human activity, which shows that there is work to be done in educating people.

www.statista.com/statistics/426733/united-kingdom-uk-concern-about-climate-change/

@Darker

That poll was done in 2019 in the month of the protest.

I'd be interested to see if public opinion has shifted in the ensuing two years and the developing consensus that climate change is man made and that action is needed now.

I think support has probably lessened in light of recent events and revelations. I'd love to see an up to date one.

And people find the term "Need to be educated" very patronising, yet another turn off

It's just a shame if public opinion has shifted

It's not like we don't know how fucked we are

@Lostmarbles2021

they just don't have enough of the public behind them.

You are wrong. I think most of those that have been educated and are aware of the science want to see action. You’d be daft not to ... (do I ... a. Want to keep things as they are which will lead to our children experiencing hardship we can’t begin to imagine and human extinction, Or b. Make sacrifices to our very greedy and comfortable lives now to help our children have more safety and security and avoid human extinction?). Most people would chose b surely. Otherwise it’s like turkeys voting for Christmas! NB: people across the world are already dying and it’s only going to get worse.

The public are not behind XR. The public are generally supportive of dealing with environmental issues (so long as they are not remotely inconvenienced) but they do not support XR.

The only time that people in the UK will feel that action has to be taken is when there is a natural disaster close at hand that affects 1000s of brits. When things are directly affected and the reality kicks in, whether that be parts of spain are too hot to holiday in or water supplies are rationed, when huge areas of the UK are flooded, harvests reduced due to weather extremes. Saying that, people are remarkably happy to write off the effects of brexit so who knows ?
Thing is it's the poor and vulnerable who will be affected the worst by climate change. Already are in fact. So the handwringing about the poor and vullnerable is a bit disingenuous...
A lot of the posts on here banging on about how XR is just a middle class concern, full of lawyers, teachers and whatever are turning it into something reminiscent of the leave campaign - Leave campaign anti elitist, pro the ordinary w/c man yeah right, and remainers m/c metropolitan liberal hand wringers. The tories know that most people are inherently selfish, they've won so many elections they can read us like a book. They do the minimum necessary, lots of talk, no action, green policies brought in by previous administrations overturned, it's clear they are not really bothered. Read the conservative home website, they are up in arms about green policies, reckon it's woke virtue signalling. And this thread sounds like most of them are on here.
Fair enough that people don't agree with their methods, but how on earth do we force the government to do anything ? No one seems too eager to stop voting for them even if soooo concerned about climate change not.

I don't put humans above stones or dogs so if we die off and they don't so what? If you look at any time line of this planet the human phase is tiny and whether we bring our end sooner or later does not matter too much in my view.

The person who asked " Or that it’s not very serious or urgent?" It is happening (climate change) but I would rather just let it happen and not bother to stop it.