9st 12lb at 5’4” and size 4-6?

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Do they mean US size 6? The lady is in Wales.
I’m only 2 inches shorter and weigh 9st 6lb and wear size 10-12.
Well done to her for losing the weight though. Just confused by her clothing size.
uk.yahoo.com/news/22-stone-size-26-mum-060002422.html

Well that's a load of bollocks, a 4-6 looks underweight

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Newsflash: you can't tell someone's weight by looking at them. I'm 5'6" and wear size 10-12 at 11.5 stone! I have a heavy build so it seems reasonable to me that some people have a light build.

I don’t think anyone is disputing her weight.

I'm in the US and I'm 5'4" and weigh 10 stone.
I wear a US 10 but a 12 is more comfortable.
I haven't worn a size 4-6 since I was 25 (26 years ago) and weighed 8.8 stone.

But if the woman says she wears a 4-6, who am I to argue with her.
Well done to her!

5’4” and 7.5 stone (not a stealth brag - I’ve lost due to being unwell and am desperate to gain) and I’m a size 8 now. Size 4-6?!🤣

"The 50s starlet 'ideal' was 36, 24, 36 but in my day, kate Moss era, everyone actually just aimed to be very very slim."

Just before Kate Moss was the supermodel era and they weren't as skinny. Also, the models that appeared in magazines and catalogues were closer to average young women. Some of the magazines used to give their stats and they were around the 36-24-36 or 34-24-34. This would have been early 90s, not the 50s.

And given I’m pretty skeletal at a size 8 I reckon 4-6 should very def be the preserve of the odd slender teenage girl ….. definitely NOT something to be aspired too!!

Just before Kate Moss was the supermodel era and they weren't as skinny. Also, the models that appeared in magazines and catalogues were closer to average young women. Some of the magazines used to give their stats and they were around the 36-24-36 or 34-24-34. This would have been early 90s, not the 50s.

Since when have models been average heights?

I'm 5ft 4 with 8stone 1lbs and I am a uk size 10!

It's hard to know but when I weighed 9st 8lb at 5'9" I was still only ever a size 8-10.

But petite people have smaller frames; I think part of my size was genuinely due to my skeleton's dimensions.

And given I’m pretty skeletal at a size 8 I reckon 4-6 should very def be the preserve of the odd slender teenage girl ….. definitely NOT something to be aspired too!!

Don’t be daft. I’m two inches taller than you and a size 6. I’m not remotely skeletal.

I was a size 6 when I was that weight and I'm a similar height. I was working out a lot and I naturally have a tiny waist. I looked so thin, I looked ill even though it's within a healthy BMI.
There's something very mean-spirited about taking someone's achievement and then trying to pick it away at it.

I once had a date with someone I met online who said they were 5’10” on their profile. Turned out he was only 5’3”. It mattered because it wasn’t true. Apart from that he was lovely. If he hadn’t put 5’10” on his profile I wouldn’t have had any issue with his height...
I’m not at all saying the lady in the article is lying about her size, but that the article is incorrect and probably US sizes. It matters to a lot of people who are trying to lose weight. A size 4-6 U.K. is not a healthy goal
You are not saying she is lying but you are trying to imply it.
What ever her size is does not matter to people who are trying to lose weight ( Me included) We all have our own goals.
You should know that journalist will put words in people's mouths and twist things.
I think this is a unfair thread you have started.
I also think, well done to her and it would not occur to me to start nit picking about her dress size.

@Gwenhwyfar

"The 50s starlet 'ideal' was 36, 24, 36 but in my day, kate Moss era, everyone actually just aimed to be very very slim."

Just before Kate Moss was the supermodel era and they weren't as skinny. Also, the models that appeared in magazines and catalogues were closer to average young women. Some of the magazines used to give their stats and they were around the 36-24-36 or 34-24-34. This would have been early 90s, not the 50s.

I was referring to the Marilyn Monroe silhouette when I mentioned the 50s. Yes, the likes of Cindy Crawford were bigger than Kate Moss certainly, but their height made them look very slim with those stars, more so than the shorter 50s women.

Stats not stars!

I think you're confused about clothing sizes. I have clothes that are an UK size 8. Yet I'm smaller and heavier than posters who are saying they are size 10s. Shape, fat and muscle play a big part.

I think she is a 6-8.
I'm the same height/weight and a size 8. Work out 3 x a week and this changes your body composition so well believe she is the size she says.

She looks great and is a healthy weight so why on earth does it matter what her dress size is?
It matters because it’s suggesting that an average height healthy woman is a size 4. It’s presenting size 4 as an achievable target and a reasonable goal, when in fact most women would be borderline anorexic at that size. Women who aren’t a size 4 will read that and think size 4 is normal and healthy - which for the majority of adult women it isn’t. It’s triggering for normal BMI women - who may be only a size 8-10 - to think they’re too fat. When the actual fact is that a woman of that weight and height will be more like a size 10-12.

@Sunnygold well said

She looks quite muscular so maybe. I was a small size 12 (H&M) at 86kg because I used to have a core of steel due to climbing / weight training.

The thing is OP, your own clothes size tells you very little about the size you are as they vary so much, never mind using some other woman's size as a yardstick. You know the size you are from your measurements and the mirror, and it really matters nothing if clothing manufacturers call you a size 6, 10 or 22. If I go into a shop and fit into a size 6 lycra thing with lots of stretch it doesn't make me any smaller than if I order something made in Asia and need an XL. I'm the size I am regardless of the label, and the woman in the article is the size she is whatever they call it. And neither effect the size you are.

If she bought the dress in M&S or Next, it could easily be a size six.

The lady in the article looks wonderful and must feel even better! Fair play to her!!

I am sure you look lovely, OP. Don't let this sort of thing bother you. The tabloids have always done this with weight-related stories. It's been going on for years. I would wager the lady in the article didn't say she was a size 4 herself. I remember years ago, possibly in the mid-2000s, Vanessa Feltz lost a lot of weight and looked absolutely great. I'd say she was probably a classic size 14 or thereabouts, although I'm not sure of her height, but all the articles claimed she was a size 10. The newspapers are always doing things like that and it is just silly. I think it can have a detrimental impact on people who are vulnerable to that type of messaging. False representations of sizes could lead to people striving to achieve ever smaller clothes sizes if they look at a person who is a "size 6" and think, "Well, that's not particularly thin." I've also seen it the opposite way, where a person who is clearly much larger is described in an article as a "curvy size 16". Some people, including on this site, seem to imagine that a size 16, even on a tall woman, is more akin to a 26!

I often think that women's sizes should just be done in inches and cm, like men's. It would ensure standardisation and consistency, and remove the whole "emotional" and "status" aspect of different sizes.

I do find these types of threads very interesting and informative for the huge variations in clothing sizes for women of similar weight and height. Individual builds, muscle/fat composition make a huge difference.

I can offer no practical comparisons, OP, as I am enormously fat. I'm fairly confident I am the largest person posting, or who has ever posted, on MN. I am having bariatric surgery in the autumn. Before anyone attacks me or sends me nasty PMs - please don't, I ask you sincerely - the surgery is 75% self-funded and 25% covered by health insurance. I would love to get down to a BMI just below 30 and often wonder what size I would end up at. I am 5 ft 8.5 in. and have a very broad and large build. The only time in my life I was within the normal BMI range, albeit at the higher end, was in my late teens, in the early 90s, and I was either a 14 or 16, depending on garment and shop.

It matters because it’s suggesting that an average height healthy woman is a size 4. It’s presenting size 4 as an achievable target and a reasonable goal, when in fact most women would be borderline anorexic at that size. Women who aren’t a size 4 will read that and think size 4 is normal and healthy - which for the majority of adult women it isn’t. It’s triggering for normal BMI women - who may be only a size 8-10 - to think they’re too fat. When the actual fact is that a woman of that weight and height will be more like a size 10-12.

But "normal" BMI has a wide range in the first place. My BMI is between 9.3 & 12.7 obviously I would feel & look very different at either end. Surely most people know size 4 is healthy for only a few people & depends on their job, height etc. I'm not sure why if you're a 10 & not fat it would make you think you are fat? And you can be a normal BMI but be bigger than an 8-10. If I'm watching rugby & see 18 stone men I know that most men in the street at the weight don't have the same physique.

Yes, 5128gap, but the article makes a statement about how super slim someone is at 5’4” and weighing 9 st 12lb, and emphasising it with the fact she is a size 4-6 clothes size.
I am far from super slim but slightly shorter and and weigh less. The same story is now in the Daily Mail where they are clarifying that it’s a U.K. size 6 (US size 2). I have a very small build, wear petite clothes, and 6 years ago weighed 7st and wore size 8, but could have got into size 6 at a squeeze. She’s almost 3 stones heavier and two inches taller and the article claims she’s wearing a size smaller than when I looked skeletal. She looks very healthy and slim but I’d love to know where she buys her tiny sizes. FatFace and Whitestuff come up huge, though I don’t think their sizes go as low as 4.

Some people, including on this site, seem to imagine that a size 16, even on a tall woman, is more akin to a 26!

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