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That New Zealand's strategy has failed

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JudesBiggestFan · 22/08/2021 23:21

And they will have to start the long and painful process of learning to live with Covid? I spoke to my friend in NZ earlier and he was in shock at being back in lockdown. He said they really felt they'd defeated the virus and this has just come out of nowhere. I feel for him but an airborne virus...it can't be stopped. And the cost of trying is too high. Or do they still have a chance of beating the virus?

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stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 07:32

From outside of New Zealand it looks to us like you are lost and mired in an epidemiological time warp, fighting to retain zero covid, like the last battalion fighting a war that is already lost.

Delta will mean that lockdowns will not be as effective or effective at all. It seems that many still believe the strictest of lockdowns will be their golden ticket back to 2020 when cast iron government control was king and salvation. The new strain is so infectious your chances of getting back to no infections at all are zero. I don't know why there is not more honestly around this fact.

The days of zero covid are over.

Engaged in the heat of battle you are continuing to fight on, on this thread and in real life. Australia have finally and belatedly come to their senses, and white hot resentment is replacing compliance. There is talk of adjustment, a palpable change of direction I wonder if the same will happen in New Zealand in the next few months?

Abitlost2 · 26/08/2021 07:33

@50ShadesOfCatholic , she absolutely does do negative politics, in fact she really stuck out as the politician doing this!!! I think its absolutely amazing how she handled the pandemic and actually all I ever heard was positivity of nz approach here. But everyone was a bit Hmm at her mud slinging at Ireland,l during a pandemic , our taoiseach (prime minister) made a public response at the time to her comments referencing Northern Ireland.

TomPinch · 26/08/2021 08:50

The difference between here and Australia is that, Auckland aside, for some very limited periods, is that we've been living entirely normal lives for the last year. I, personally, wasn't under any meaningful restrictions from approx May 2020 until just over a week ago. There isn't any lockdown fatigue where I am. Everyone is just getting on with going their bit. And everyone expects and knows that a Dominic Cummings-like escapade will be dealt with properly because the public won't stand for it.

Once vaccinations reach a suitable level, then the rationale for lockdowns will reduce and, yes, we'll probably have to live with the virus to a degree. But everyone knows that our approach has and is saving lives and jobs and there is, rightfully, plenty of pride in how we've coped.

We're not in a time-warp. We've successfully avoided the worst.

stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 09:26

We've successfully avoided the worst

Do you genuinely believe that? How can you have avoided the worst, if the worst is yet to come? I am sorry to say I don't think you are even at the beginning of the beginning.

You can still catch covid with the vaccines, so I am not sure what your end result looks like if covid is still circulating? And will continue to indefinitely, the lockdowns (as you will see) are not especially effective with delta, so what then?

LimeRedBanana · 26/08/2021 09:44

@stepupandbecounted

From outside of New Zealand it looks to us like you are lost and mired in an epidemiological time warp, fighting to retain zero covid, like the last battalion fighting a war that is already lost.

Delta will mean that lockdowns will not be as effective or effective at all. It seems that many still believe the strictest of lockdowns will be their golden ticket back to 2020 when cast iron government control was king and salvation. The new strain is so infectious your chances of getting back to no infections at all are zero. I don't know why there is not more honestly around this fact.

The days of zero covid are over.

Engaged in the heat of battle you are continuing to fight on, on this thread and in real life. Australia have finally and belatedly come to their senses, and white hot resentment is replacing compliance. There is talk of adjustment, a palpable change of direction I wonder if the same will happen in New Zealand in the next few months?

Do you go away and google fan fic or something in between posts, so that you can come back each time and ramp up the drama?! Grin

Seriously. Fresh air. It’s good for the brain and general sensibilities.

HarrietPierce · 26/08/2021 10:00

I can't believe one particular poster's obsession with the dystopian nightmare of New Zealand is still going strong !

stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 10:01

I am having a great time thanks Lime! It is so sweet that you care. Wink

gofg · 26/08/2021 10:06

I can't believe one particular poster's obsession with the dystopian nightmare of New Zealand is still going strong !

It's astounding isn't it? This thread would only be around 10 pages long if it weren't for them. What is even more astounding is that, even though it is just repetition after repetition, they still seem to think they have something worthwhile to say!

HarrietPierce · 26/08/2021 10:10

"It's astounding isn't it? This thread would only be around 10 pages long if it weren't for them. What is even more astounding is that, even though it is just repetition after repetition, they still seem to think they have something worthwhile to say!"

And furthermore they either ignore or dispute the comments from people who actually live in New Zealand 1

HarrietPierce · 26/08/2021 10:11

! not 1

applesandoranges221 · 26/08/2021 10:15

I am as anti lockdown and loss of civil liberties as they come but even I find the idea that New Zealand is some some of health inspired Gilead hilarious.

stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 10:17

I think you just need to catch up with the rest of the world.

Gremlinsateit · 26/08/2021 10:25

But stepup, why do you care?

stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 10:34

It is a gorgeous day and we are heading out, I wish you well - genuinely I do. Why do I care? We have cousins and family connections, and they are the best people I know, warm and kind.

If you can't see where this policy is headed after 33 pages and plenty of other posts trying to reason with you, and explain to you the differences between now and last year, then what more can be done?

Enjoy your life in splendid isolation, and I hope to god Delta is kinder to you than it has been to the rest of the world, otherwise your strategy is going to fail spectacularly. Waging a war on an airborne virus is where madness lies, but in your words, you do you. We will agree to differ Wine

LimeRedBanana · 26/08/2021 10:45

It is a gorgeous day and we are heading out

No you’re not, you’re glued to your little phone!

HarrietPierce · 26/08/2021 10:50

"It is a gorgeous day and we are heading out"

No you’re not, you’re glued to your little phone!

And still overwhelmed with horror at the dystopian terror awaiting New Zealand !

bogoffmda · 26/08/2021 10:51

Where the PM of NZ has failed is, is in not buying enough vaccine and not vaccinating enough since the beginning of the year.

Delta has been around for more than 6 months the warning signs have been all over the news in every country- the need for this lockdown in NZ has to be questioned if vaccines had been rolled out quicker over the past 6 months and more people protected. A sudden mad rush now, when we know decent immunity comes from 2 doses means some parts of NZ are going to be in lockdown for at least another 6 weeks. That should have been avoidable.

I have been proud of the way NZ handled COVID initially but this phase was predictable and avoidable.
JA needs to own her successes and her mistakes.

StripyHorse · 26/08/2021 10:56

@50ShadesOfCatholic

OP your friend sounds a bit uninformed.

NZ did achieve elimination with the first round, now it is dealing with the Delay variant.

It was absolutely expected. Of course it is going to slip through the border, there will always be a margin of error when humans are involved.

I live in NZ and no-one I know is at all surprised to be going through this. Shocked, yes, because we herd about the first case at 1pm and the lockdown was announced at 6pm. So it took a little adjusting. But surprised? No.

It seems to me there is a huge hunger in here is. Mumsnet and (right wing) places like the Daily Mail to declare NZs strategy a failure and take enormous glee in every difficulty it faces. It's sad that some people feel the need to be so nasty, it says a lot about them.

But it has nothing to do with the reality of life here.

I actively campaigned for Labour in the election that propelled JA to PM and she has more than delivered. They have more than delivered. She's a fantastic leader, she is tough as nails, extremely intelligent and always respectful and compassionate.

I have been so grateful to be in NZ for the pandemic, we have enjoyed normal life for most of the past 18 months and our lockdowns have been short and effective. I feel looked after.

I don't think people realise how adored JA is. Children call her Jacinda and trust her to look after them. She promised goodness and kindness. I have lived in multiple countries under multiple leaders and I have never experienced this, actual trust in the leadership.

No-one is pretending life here is perfect. For some of us, and I acknowledge my immense privilege in living in a big house in a beautiful location with fast Wi-Fi! lockdown is almost like a retreat, a health spa. I acknowledge that for many it is challenging whether physically or mentally. But there is a spirit of goodwill, of looking out for each other and of trying to do the right thing.

To come on here and observe the derison levelled at us by people who live on the other side of the world is bewildering. What is it people get out of being so vile?

None of us knows how long this pandemic will run or what is around the corner. But NZs track record is fantastic and I feel incredibly grateful to be here. It is terrible to see the chaos and pain caused by such terrible management in so many other countries.

Wrt vaccines. One million are now fully vaccinated. I can't remember offhand the stats on partial vaccination suffice to say the roll-out has ramped up during the past week.

How we compare globally? I'll attach some stats. In the meantime, let's try to be civil.

I would much rather have had short, sharp lockdowns and been able to carry on as normal inbetween.

Instead, we had long lockdowns but without proper travel restrictions, and long periods of half measures... and rates are soaring.

If any New Zealanders are unhappy, I am happy to swap their government for ours.

FiveShelties · 26/08/2021 11:18

@bogoffmda

Where the PM of NZ has failed is, is in not buying enough vaccine and not vaccinating enough since the beginning of the year.

Delta has been around for more than 6 months the warning signs have been all over the news in every country- the need for this lockdown in NZ has to be questioned if vaccines had been rolled out quicker over the past 6 months and more people protected. A sudden mad rush now, when we know decent immunity comes from 2 doses means some parts of NZ are going to be in lockdown for at least another 6 weeks. That should have been avoidable.

I have been proud of the way NZ handled COVID initially but this phase was predictable and avoidable.
JA needs to own her successes and her mistakes.

I completely agree - we sat back and watched other countries vaccinating their citizens. We could have had everyone, who wanted the vaccine, done and dusted by now.
Chocaholic9 · 26/08/2021 12:16

@stepupandbecounted

It is a gorgeous day and we are heading out, I wish you well - genuinely I do. Why do I care? We have cousins and family connections, and they are the best people I know, warm and kind.

If you can't see where this policy is headed after 33 pages and plenty of other posts trying to reason with you, and explain to you the differences between now and last year, then what more can be done?

Enjoy your life in splendid isolation, and I hope to god Delta is kinder to you than it has been to the rest of the world, otherwise your strategy is going to fail spectacularly. Waging a war on an airborne virus is where madness lies, but in your words, you do you. We will agree to differ Wine

Oh quit with the drama.

This policy is headed for eliminating covid, until we can vaccinate everybody. Then I am guessing the government will reassess.

AmorFati · 26/08/2021 12:30

What I've mainly learned from this thread is what a stereotype of the laconic, laid-back antipodean I am. It's surprised me, I consider myself a wordy and passionate type, but all I can muster for government failures is a cynical squint, and as for the horror of authoritarianism and being dragged off to enforced quarantine, in the back of my mind there's always the option, in extremis, of silently slipping off and going bush.
The necessities of civil disobedience are a billy-can and a spare pair of socks.
Just reading the tirades in this thread are exhausting, I can't imagine living like that.

Don't worry so much, stepup, she'll be right.

Sagealicious · 26/08/2021 12:34

Shout out to all you Kiwis across the ditch who have remained calm and not lost your shit at some of the ridiculous posts. Respect.

From a supportive Aussie.

Cocogreen · 26/08/2021 13:05

@Sagealicious

Shout out to all you Kiwis across the ditch who have remained calm and not lost your shit at some of the ridiculous posts. Respect.

From a supportive Aussie.

I second this! Love from Melbourne.
Cocogreen · 26/08/2021 13:07

@AmorFati

What I've mainly learned from this thread is what a stereotype of the laconic, laid-back antipodean I am. It's surprised me, I consider myself a wordy and passionate type, but all I can muster for government failures is a cynical squint, and as for the horror of authoritarianism and being dragged off to enforced quarantine, in the back of my mind there's always the option, in extremis, of silently slipping off and going bush. The necessities of civil disobedience are a billy-can and a spare pair of socks. Just reading the tirades in this thread are exhausting, I can't imagine living like that.

Don't worry so much, stepup, she'll be right.

Like in Hunt for the Wilderpeople! Love that movie! Smile
stepupandbecounted · 26/08/2021 19:28

amor without sounding weird, the bush sounds like best option Grin and no doubt you will be in good company Gin The very best way to see out a pandemic in my view.

And for anyone that has missed me I am back after a few sherries so mind your eye!