To be seriously disappointed that the women on Mumsnet are not talking about What is happening to women in Afghanistan, right now?

[Quarks69]

Seriously, look at the unimportant stuff on the chat list today. Am I the only one who is thinking about those poor girls?

My daughter was born just as we entered Afghanistan and removed the Taliban. she is now 20 at uni and loving life (despite COVID).Her peers in Afghanistan as of yesterday were doing the same. Herat Uni has over 50% women studying in it.

As of today they have been told to go home, cover up, hand in their car keys and wait,,....for what? To be forced into marriage and forget their dreams?

I can’t help imagining how my daughter would feel..what could you say as a mother?it is heart breaking.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your point, @AbsolutelyPatsy.

It was Mumsnet that brought this issue to my attention last weekend.

I wouldn't expect it to be a huge issue on Mumsnet because it is not something any of us can actually do anything about. We can talk about it, but what's the point? We don't control the military or the Taliban. There's nothing tangible any of us can actually do.

thank you @SpindleWhorl
it is late and the world is in an appalling state at the moment

@WorraLiberty

I imagine, like many women, those people also care deeply about women in Afghanistan, they just happen to have the ability to hold more than one opinion/thought at once

But they won't care as deeply as the OP obviously...

Obviously not Worra, OP cares the most in the whole wide world!

There are loads of very busy, full threads about what is happening in Afghanistan. Many of them are in the feminist section, as one would expect.
Many people hide the feminist section as they don't like women talking about women's rights.
Threads about women's rights often do not appear in trending or active conversations, for reasons best known to MN.
I have been watching world news all day and I am so angry and distressed about it all I can't even find the words.

Wow, you're being massively unreasonable.

What are you doing to help?

To maybe be a bit more thankful for living in this country at this time.

Also, this is a very odd thing to say. I live here because I was born here. Not really sure what I'm supposed to be 'thankful' for?

Hey OP let me know when you’ve commented In one of the current threads - as really interested in what you’ve got to say when you’ve finished telling Mumsnetters off for disappointing you.

I’ve seen some on Mumsnet. It is so sad, I have been thinking about it a lot today. My husband has been deployed twice to Afghanistan, he worked with many Afghan civilians, who were very noble people, they felt secure with our presence and now they no longer have that. I think the sheer desperation of the Afghans trying to jump on the American planes tells us how much they fear this. To me, this isn’t just an attack on them, it is an attack on us all. We must all be in this together. To abandon them now, would be catastrophic, we fought for so much during those 20 years and women finally found their voices.

Are you honestly complaining that mumsnet hasn’t become solely Afghanistan related? Instead of just saying ‘yeah sorry I missed the numerous threads’? What are you doing? Your thread isn’t about their plight, it’s you bitching on the western worlds take on it.

OP

1. Join the existing threads about Afgan women and girls.
2. Create your own thread about the plight of Afgan women.
3. Stop virtue signalling.

@SamiReed1

I wouldn't expect it to be a huge issue on Mumsnet because it is not something any of us can actually do anything about. We can talk about it, but what's the point? We don't control the military or the Taliban. There's nothing tangible any of us can actually do.

In some countries, Canada for one, groups of individuals can get together, raise funds and sponsor a refugee or a family of refugees. They then support that person/family for a couple of years in the new country. It's a bloody brilliant system. Proves support for asylum seekers, stops the bollocks idiots sprouting about expense and speeds up the process. Also, the group gives the refugee a little taste of life, friendship and support in the first couple of years.

Lobby for that.

www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/refugees/help-outside-canada/private-sponsorship-program.html

Or write to your MP, write to the PM, give money to a local Afghan charity, volunteer to teach English to newcomers, there are lots of things to do.

@MrsTerryPratchett

I love that idea, I wonder how easy it would be to implement or even if its going on now.

@Quarks69

Ah well if there was a delete button for a thread I would hit it.😳...but I still find it strange that this huge event doesn’t put some of our rather lesser Mumsnet gripes into perspective, and to see pages of the usual ...To maybe be a bit more thankful for living in this country at this time.🤷🏻‍♀️

By the thrice beshitten shroud of Lazarus, what are you actually like, OP? That has to be one of the most virtue signalling, grandiose, holier-than-thou, and yet ultimately totally deluded posts ever to hit Mumsnet....and there's been some competition over the years. I have seen numerous posts on here today about the tragic situation in Afghanistan, where the sincerity and pain of the writers of those posts when thinking about the Afghani shitshow was palpable. Not only did you miss them, but instead of apologising for the fact, you came back and doubled down, continuing to castigate others for their lack of perspective?!

Do you know those villages all over Europe, in places like Italy, Greece , Spain, Ireland and also in Japan that are so depopulated they are dying. The places where they try to pay people to move to the area? Beautiful places, but lacking youth and energy.
All the planes and pilots that ate sitting around doing nothing due to the pandemic should be mobilised NOW to rescue any woman and girls tha wants to leave Afghanistan, no limits, no men.
They should be airlifted to these towns and villages in Europe now and given every single support , finances, assistance to start a new society there.
Europe had access to interest free loans now, can basically print money. There is no reason why these women can't be helped this way. An amazing society could be created by Afghan women in Europe. It is a crime against humanity for Afghan women and girls to be left to live under the psychotic primitism of the Taliban

to rescue any woman and girls tha wants to leave Afghanistan, no limits, no men.

Much as I bemoan the state of masculinity, women and girls have brothers, husbands, fathers and (most importantly) sons. I wouldn't leave mine.

I do think misogyny should be grounds for asylum. Most of the world then.

I wish I was as serious minded as you OP. You’re an inspiration.

With the current situation, may I ask that some people consider supporting the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)?

RAWA has been getting supplies, equipment and information/resources direct to women and girls living under Taliban rule for years - even in rural areas.

Many thanks.

@Quarks69

Ah well if there was a delete button for a thread I would hit it.😳...but I still find it strange that this huge event doesn’t put some of our rather lesser Mumsnet gripes into perspective, and to see pages of the usual ...To maybe be a bit more thankful for living in this country at this time.🤷🏻‍♀️

As others have said, there are other threads. Also, people are allowed to be upset about things in their lives, even when horrific things are happening to others.

There's always someone worse off than you, someone losing their job and home, losing their battle with cancer, being in a horrible accident where they lose both their arm and their sight... I'm still going to be upset that my first meeting this morning was at 9 am and my last one ended at 11 pm, leaving me with less than the required resting time before my next one. Does that make me a shitty person?

@MarniAf

With the current situation, may I ask that some people consider supporting the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)?

RAWA has been getting supplies, equipment and information/resources direct to women and girls living under Taliban rule for years - even in rural areas.

Many thanks.

Great thanks!

Yes what’s happening is just horrifying.

I think we should be clear in the language though. They’re not being forced into marriage - they’re being RAPED and ENSLAVED

Hi @MrsTerryPratchett
I did think about that, I also have a son. Women who want to leave Afghanistan should of course take their sons. I should have said that.
Taking husbands fathers, adult men just increases the possibility of the situation/ ideology being recreated somewhere else. Many Afghan women are oppressed in their own homes by adult male relatives, whether they be Taliban members or not.
I just wish the West would take action on this NOW. After 9/11 they mobilised huge armies to attack Afghanistan in a matter of hours, yet here we are, it's only Afghan women and children, so let's talk about how bad it is for months but take no action. I feel sick to my stomach.
Thanks @MarniAf for that link

I find it hard to have an opinion about a country on the other side of the world with an entirely different culture when I know from experience that I can't trust the reporting of the BBC

And OP,
Ignore the posters who are piling on you for your question. We have grown up with this conflict grinding away for the last 20 years. It is a defining part of our period of history. Alot of us feel shock and complete outrage and confusion at the moment,in how 20 years of progress for women and girls in Afghanistan can be seemingly undone overnight. I understand your sentiments. You are not "virtue signalling" you can just see the massive discrepancy between our reality here and the horrendous realities of other women, and that is hard to parse atm.

@HotelRoomforOne

And OP, Ignore the posters who are piling on you for your question. We have grown up with this conflict grinding away for the last 20 years. It is a defining part of our period of history. Alot of us feel shock and complete outrage and confusion at the moment,in how 20 years of progress for women and girls in Afghanistan can be seemingly undone overnight. I understand your sentiments. You are not "virtue signalling" you can just see the massive discrepancy between our reality here and the horrendous realities of other women, and that is hard to parse atm.

The reason why the OP is being pilled on, is because a quick search would have told her many of us have been talking about this for days, infact some people have been talking about this before it happened and what was going to happen.