Outrage! Socialist discovered in Labour Party as Ken Loach says he's expelled

[longwayoff]

Yes. KEN LOACH for crying out loud, director of "I, Daniel Blake" and many other films. AIBU to suggest this is not likely to be a vote winner? Idiots.

@longwayoff

Yes. KEN LOACH for crying out loud, director of "I, Daniel Blake" and many other films. AIBU to suggest this is not likely to be a vote winner? Idiots.

Ah yes, the same Ken Loach who has constantly bemoaned any Labour Party win or success.

He’s only happy when we are in opposition, and not able to actually do anything to help people.

Fuckity bye

And that’s not even considering the Holocaust denial.

Yes, that one. Ken Loach. A socialist.

Love his films but lots of his views are troubling. He's obviously not on board with what starmer is trying to do so best he goes. He took himself off when Blair was in so not sure why he doesn't want to do the same now but he's one of those who's more interested in fighting other factions in the labour party than the Tories....

@longwayoff

Yes, that one. Ken Loach. A socialist.

Then he’s welcome to join the Socialist Worker’s Party.

He has bankrolled candidates to stand AGAINST the Labour Party, long before Keir took the helm.

His expulsion was way overdue.

Agreed @Suprima. About damn time. I'm sick of that man thinking that he is above reproach because he makes films about impoverished people.

Yes, Loach. We see your middle fingers directed towards the majority of the Jewish community and they DO matter! About time you had some consequences for it. And getting a few mates of Jewish descent who agree with you doesn't absolve you either. Tokenism is racism.

antisemitism.org/caa-calls-for-free-university-of-brussels-to-abandon-plan-to-honour-ken-loach-who-has-tried-to-dismiss-claims-of-antisemitism-in-labour/

What exactly has he been expelled for?

Being a socialist isn't some sort of trump card that means he can also be an apologist for racism and have that overlooked. Giving a shit about people who have been victims of racist abuse is also an important quality and I don't want to be in a party with people who think some forms of racism are basically ok and not worth challenging.

Good riddance Loach is a Holocaust denier. That's enough for me.

Labour is not a socialist party

Good news hopefully Corbyn and Co will follow as have left Labour truly in a mess they can bugger off to the Socialist Labour Party where they can witter on about ideology and allow other to actually do some political work

And being a socialist does not equal being a morally superior person or voting for the Labour or any left leaning party

The righteous left have played their part on creating such a divided society

I had high hopes for Starmer but it appears he’s set on losing a solid block of left wing Labour voters.

The centre/right of the Party forfeited any right to play the “all that matters is beating the Tories card” when they spent an 2/3 years attacking Corbyn rather than attacking the government. And despite that most were willing to get behind Starmer.

The idiocy of Starmer is that he seems unable to realise that getting the a few hundred thousand soft Tory votes and perhaps half a million soft Lib Dem votes won’t count for shit if you lose 2 or 3 million left wing English voters to the Greens or to alienation/ apathy and he seems absolutely intent on doing just that.

Where are the hard left voters going to go??? You don’t think the insane corbynite nutters are to blame for us having Boris as PM? Cause I do!

Untiring the various strands of broadly left wing voters is almost certainly an impossible task, but beating a terrible government in a one off election shouldn’t be for a half decent leader.

Taking into account the huge good will Starmer has had from the off (as opposed to the knives out from Day 1 for Corbyn from all sections of the British media and half the Party) I hold that Starmer is at least as incompetent a Labour leader than Corbyn, if not more so. He is utterly ineffectual at anything other than pissing off half his own voters.

Labour should be a party that reverses damaging Tory policies, not a mere stop gap between them.

@MrsBede
You mean like many Labour MPs did 2017-2020? Labour was just a hundred thousand odd votes short of forming a coalition government in 2017. The right wing of Parliamentary Labour has a hell of a lot to answer for. Brexit for one.

@Whycangirlsbesonasty

Where are the hard left voters going to go??? You don’t think the insane corbynite nutters are to blame for us having Boris as PM? Cause I do!

Isn't that what Mandelson said , you know the friend of Russian oligarchs who used to be MP for Hartlepool? Labour voters did have somewhere to go apparently 🙄

@OhWhyNot

And being a socialist does not equal being a morally superior person or voting for the Labour or any left leaning party

The righteous left have played their part on creating such a divided society

Socialist is a political position not a bloody virtue

[quote supermoonrising]@MrsBede
You mean like many Labour MPs did 2017-2020? Labour was just a hundred thousand odd votes short of forming a coalition government in 2017. The right wing of Parliamentary Labour has a hell of a lot to answer for. Brexit for one.[/quote]
Mmmm, well, they fell a lot further short in 2019 under the same stubborn leader they'd had in 2017 so not sure whose fault that was other then the people who were in charge. And blaming them for Brexit is just ridiculous - we don't need to remind ourselves what a great job Corbyn did in campaigning against it, do we?

But yes, there has been far too much infighting for years now on both sides and it has to stop. That's what Starmer is trying to do. Corbyn and McDonnell (and I actually quite liked the latter while he was shadow chancellor) have both behaved like utter tits ever since Starmer got in.

A socialist and a racist.

Good riddance.

Boris booted out all the old Tories grimly clutching the tatters of their beliefs and values leaving us with the Grabbitt & Runn attitudes of the current collection. Starmer doing the same with the old left will leave us voters a selection of Right or Less Right. This is deeply unappealing to thousands of voters across the board. Starmer is proving to be extremely short sighted. Boris is already on his way out and there's still no opposition. It's deeply depressing. And here comes Afghanistan again. It's not going to be great.

Exactly Hoppinggreen

Ken Loach does not seem to deny the Holocaust:
'my words have been twisted to suggest that I think it is acceptable to question the reality of the Holocaust. I do not. The Holocaust is as real a historical event as the second world war itself and not to be challenged. In Primo Levi’s words: “Those who deny Auschwitz would be ready to remake it.” The terrible pictures I first saw as a nine-year-old are ingrained on my memory, as they are for all my generation.'

Oh the irony. A corbynite saying he's the victim of a witch hunt. Know he knows what it feels like to be on the receiving end of Momentum.

@MrsBede

He's obviously not on board with what starmer is trying to do so best he goes.

Out of interest, what IS Keir Starmer trying to do? If he's making policy statements, I'm not hearing about them.

Starmer doing the same with the old left will leave us voters a selection of Right or Less Right. This is deeply unappealing to thousands of voters across the board.

Are you saying a large number of voters want a more left wing option to vote for? Why didn't the Corbyn led Labour party win in 2019 then?