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SunshineCake · 14/08/2021 17:11

@Meltinthemiddle

Apart from his mother those people were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We don't even know what led up to that attack. I just wish I hadn't read the details leading up to the little girls death in the Paper this morning. The media are just awful and literally have no respect for their families.

They weren't in the wrong place. They were entitled to be there.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 14/08/2021 17:13

Yes can we stop with the wrong place at the wrong time nonsense (apart from the mum WTF? So was she the right place at the right time?)

Meltinthemiddle · 14/08/2021 17:34

Yes they were entitled to be there. I didn't mean that.

SecretSpAD · 14/08/2021 18:08

CustardCreamm
I live in Plymouth not far from where this happened, and I still cannot come to terms with it. The whole city are in shock and cannot believe this happened in what is usually a fairy quiet place.
My thoughts go out to all that lost their lives. Absolute tragedy.
Me too custard. And although I do not know the families directly I know people who did. It should never have happened here. Plymouth is such as lovely, safe place to raise children it's so hard to believe anything like this could happen here 😔

I'm over the border from you both and just want to say that the collective Cornish hearts are with you in Plymouth right now.

itsgettingwierd · 14/08/2021 18:14

@Lockheart

It is disgraceful that his mother had tried to get him help several times and nothing was done.

Regardless of what you think of him as an individual, if he had been properly supported then 6 people may still be alive today.

And if we had proper checks on people who own firearms licenses.

His was returned to him a month ago after having it revoked end of last year.

After he shot 6 people they found all this stuff about him online joining the incel movement.

How the fecking feck was that not discovered previously?

Mistyplanet · 14/08/2021 18:19

I predict we will hear more and more about the "incel movement " never heard of it before but no doubt it will be another way the powers at be will use to divide people against each other and stir up fear amongst the general public. Transgenderism, islamophobia, the fires which are man-made, and of course vaccine passports- its part of a wider agenda here to create fear amongst people and divide people.

EmeraldShamrock · 14/08/2021 18:35

The incel movement is gathering speed a new rage of terrorism.
See Incels vs feminist below. Crazy.

Clymene · 14/08/2021 19:01

It wasn't discovered previously because incels are not tracked under the Prevent strategy. Which is what is pissing me off about all the people arguing this isn't terrorism. If the strategy was used to track Incels' behaviour online, he may never have got his gun back. And then there wouldn't be families with their lives ruined today.

Furries · 14/08/2021 21:30

@Mistyplanet

I predict we will hear more and more about the "incel movement " never heard of it before but no doubt it will be another way the powers at be will use to divide people against each other and stir up fear amongst the general public. Transgenderism, islamophobia, the fires which are man-made, and of course vaccine passports- its part of a wider agenda here to create fear amongst people and divide people.

Words fail me. So, because you’ve never heard of it then it shouldn’t be of concern?

Crack on with being ok with what they represent - or do just a tiny bit of reading to enlighten yourself and then report back.

Hairbrush123 · 14/08/2021 23:03

I am the same. I just can’t stop thinking about the poor child. She was so harmless and innocent and her life was just snatched like that . I can remember when they showed pictures of the youngest victim of the Manchester terror attack and I burst into tears.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 14/08/2021 23:27

I think it's important to feel sorry for the innocent adults as well as the innocent child. They are no less deserving of life

SunshineCake · 15/08/2021 08:05

I'm sure everyone feels sorry for the adults that died. Don't be silly. A child being murdered by a grown man is shocking.

thedancingbear · 15/08/2021 08:46

@SunshineCake

I'm sure everyone feels sorry for the adults that died. Don't be silly. A child being murdered by a grown man is shocking.

An an innocent man, dying trying to protect his adopted daughter, isn't?

There is a definite subtext among some posters that some victims' lives are worth more than others.

Weirdwonders · 15/08/2021 08:49

I agree with @Mistyplanet. We’d have been better off allowing the police to do their work before insisting that we label this as terrorism ‘because if he was brown it would be terrorism!’. He was a disturbed man with access to a gun who targeted people indiscriminately. The misogyny is a symptom, not the cause. All we’ve done is handed the incel movement publicity.
As someone said on Twitter - middle class feminists, maybe it’s not about you.

Magspy · 15/08/2021 09:01

20% of 299 people think this is unreasonable:

"This was a misogynistic man who identified as an ‘incel’. I’ve never heard of this phrase, but this man”s attitudes to women are common enough. Ok he hated his mum, not unusual, but no reason to kill her. But why kill the others, especially the child? This is all so sad and shocking and it seems that violence against women is becoming so prevalent again."

FFS.

Disneycharacter · 15/08/2021 09:23

But he didn't just kill women, he killed a child and a man as his first victims. So he may have been a misogynist but it didn't reflect in this crime.

He was mentally ill. It's a disgrace he was allowed to keep his gun. The police should have done a better job.

EmeraldShamrock · 15/08/2021 09:24

All of the victims were equally as important special, it should have never happened and hopefully it will bring change.
The stuff of nightmares.

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 15/08/2021 09:28

@Disneycharacter

But he didn't just kill women, he killed a child and a man as his first victims. So he may have been a misogynist but it didn't reflect in this crime.

He was mentally ill. It's a disgrace he was allowed to keep his gun. The police should have done a better job.

As has already been pointed out - jihadists also kill Muslims, and incels hate “successful” men (Chads) as well. Davison walked past some people without shooting.

Flowers500 · 15/08/2021 09:29

@Disneycharacter

But he didn't just kill women, he killed a child and a man as his first victims. So he may have been a misogynist but it didn't reflect in this crime.

He was mentally ill. It's a disgrace he was allowed to keep his gun. The police should have done a better job.

Christ read the earlier post about his conversations on incel forums. You clealry don’t know the first thing about what an incel is, how they feel about other men, etc.

Flowers500 · 15/08/2021 09:33

Also—hate to break this to you but incels have a particular hated of young female children. Unless you want to be sick in your own mouth, I wouldn’t read the stuff they are posting on Reddit right now about the little girl he killed. It is vile, vile stuff about maggots being baby flies and “femoids” growing up to do certain sexual things. It’s vile and they don’t see a cute innocent little girl in their worldview.

EmeraldShamrock · 15/08/2021 09:33

If the man is a Father who was loved and sexually active then he is an enemy of incel society.

Cornettoninja · 15/08/2021 10:13

I’ve idly noticed in recent news reports the incel ideology shares quite a lot with other groups like the taliban with respect to women. Turns out if you take away the excuse of religion people still manage to justify their bs.

Meltinthemiddle · 15/08/2021 11:06

It's devastating how this could have been prevented if the police did their checks properly and if he recieved the right support. Reading the paper this morning how he was wanted in the local paper for randomly attacking a 16 year too! His school teacher is completely shocked. Will be interesting to find out how much support he was getting as I know it pretty much stops after school and many kids with SEN are left to get on with it 😔

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 15/08/2021 12:59

But he didn't just kill women, he killed a child and a man as his first victims

The desire to ignore patterns in plain sight will continue to result in deaths until they're acted on.

Failure to view Davison’s killing spree within the context of femicide means that we do not look for the links between him killing his mother, Maxine Davison, and the nine other UK women we have identified with their son as the suspect in their murder so far this year. In fact, in the UK, women who are mothers are more likely to be killed by a son than by a stranger

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4323409-Femicide-article-in-Observer-today

itsgettingwierd · 15/08/2021 13:11

@Disneycharacter

But he didn't just kill women, he killed a child and a man as his first victims. So he may have been a misogynist but it didn't reflect in this crime.

He was mentally ill. It's a disgrace he was allowed to keep his gun. The police should have done a better job.

Did he?

The reports I've seen all say it was his mum first and the child and father were on the street as he left.

He also didn't shoot all people he came across and obviously we don't know yet why.