“Incel” AIBU to think forums should be banned?

[SteveArnottsWaistcoat]

Following from the horrible tragedy of the mass shooting in Plymouth, I had never heard of Incel before and had to Google what it was.

I was pretty shocked to discover open forums full of what I can only describe as hate speech. Really vile things being said against women by angry men. (I’m not going to link to the one I found but if you put in Incels then a dot and then net you’ll find it. The description made it sound like a support network but the content is very different)

Now I could be being totally naive here, I’m sure there are forums out there with all kinds of hate speech against everything going, but some of the stuff I read on there made me wonder how that kind of thing is allowed in such an open public way!

Is it freedom of speech? AIBU to think it shouldn’t be allowed? Do you think these websites are monitored?

Available women should be given to men. Yuck yuck yuck yuck.

I have a better solution - all these incel boys who feel unwanted write their names down and pop them in a hat. They then all pick a name out. Paired up, bish bash bosh. You take turns having sex with each other. If you don’t like it you lump it, since you’re ‘available.’

@VladmirsPoutine

Thing is I don't think they just bemoan that they are ugly. Ugliness is very subjective and some of these men as pointed out in the LB podcast are everyday men, not some basement dwelling ogre who recoils at daylight. It comes down to their visceral hatred of women. They absolutely cannot stand that women are and can be autonomous beings. They don't believe women should have rights and the mere thought of women having choice, independence and a 'voice' sends them into a fit of seething rage.

Quite some cognitive dissonance then for them to be baffled (apparently) about why they are unsucessful with women. 🤣

I'd heard of Incels before what happened in youth. I think the least YT should do is to delete the Incel TV channel they have.

Not read the whole thread.

Tricky.

Certainly the net has increased polarisation generally. Echo chambers. Like minded people finding each other and sharing ideas, egging each other on.

This is across pretty much every viewpoint, political colour etc etc.

OTOH it has allowed people to tell what is happening. TOR has meant people around the world being able to tell the world what's going on. Find out how to get away (?). Support each other.

For the MRA/ incel etc stuff. I think.

The major sites need to be even handed in what they tolerate. There's a big gap in what they see as over the line, depending on the topic/ posters.

@NiceGerbil

Not read the whole thread.

Tricky.

Certainly the net has increased polarisation generally. Echo chambers. Like minded people finding each other and sharing ideas, egging each other on.

This is across pretty much every viewpoint, political colour etc etc.

OTOH it has allowed people to tell what is happening. TOR has meant people around the world being able to tell the world what's going on. Find out how to get away (?). Support each other.

For the MRA/ incel etc stuff. I think.

The major sites need to be even handed in what they tolerate. There's a big gap in what they see as over the line, depending on the topic/ posters.

Do you imagine there would be such a "big gap" in what is deemed acceptable if the comments were racial hatred rather than misogynism?

That is the only "gap" that needs to close: the idea that at some low level misogynism might be acceptable. It isn't.

I also think that the danger of online radicalisation with these groups. Should be seen by the authorities in the same way as terrorism.

Disaffected men who are angry. Find places that give them someone to be angry at and a justification.

The appeal of some of the current extreme/ terrorist ideologies taps into a hatred of women as well. Often men who commit terrorist acts are found to have committed DV etc.

Angry men who feel they are hard done by are drawn to places where they are told they're right to feel that way and action is reasonable.

Where men are online and discussing ways to terrorise women then it needs to be seen the same way.

IMO.

@NiceGerbil

I also think that the danger of online radicalisation with these groups. Should be seen by the authorities in the same way as terrorism.

Disaffected men who are angry. Find places that give them someone to be angry at and a justification.

The appeal of some of the current extreme/ terrorist ideologies taps into a hatred of women as well. Often men who commit terrorist acts are found to have committed DV etc.

Angry men who feel they are hard done by are drawn to places where they are told they're right to feel that way and action is reasonable.

Where men are online and discussing ways to terrorise women then it needs to be seen the same way.

IMO.

I agree completely. 👏👏👏

So who the hell are we meant to vote for who will actually make sure misogyny is treated as seriously as racism?