The Incel movement is a terrorist ideology.

[flashbac]

It's worrying that it isn't seen as such.

I see it as more of a mental illness, as they don't really have a goal like a terror group.

The people recruited into terrorist groups have mental illnesses too. No one in their right mind would think it’s a good idea to blow themselves and a bunch of strangers up. And it’s never the leaders of these groups that do it, if that was the case they’d all be dead by now.

There is definitely a lot of brain washing too which isn’t helped by going into the internet and speaking to similar people.

Incels definitely meet the definition of terrorism which was posted earlier. There was an interesting article by Joan Smith which was published in the Guardian recently: "What do many terrorists have in common? They abuse women."

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/05/many-terrorists-abuse-women-research-extremist-attackers-violent-misogyny

^This.
Incels might well be vulnerable men with mental health problems who are pulled into an abhorrent philosophy online - that's true of many terrorists.
If these misogynistic views had been considered as the red flag they are it's possible that this man would not have been granted a firearms license.

Ridiculous religious beliefs are certainly closer to insanity, sometimes literally delusional. I look forward to seeing all religious criminals plead insanity;

If the police could use terrorism to investigate, they would.

@Blossomtoes

It’s not a terrorist ideology as it has no political aim. In fact it doesn’t appear to have any aim at all. It’s mindless violence for violence sake.

It doesn’t have to be political, it can ideological ffs someone posted the definition earlier

Gonna keep that bloody definition in my clipboard, getting sick of referring to it!

Fair enough if you disagree people, but don't claim the guidelines say something they don't 🙄 the large majority of people posting online have access to google!

I think a lot of people on this thread haven't actually spent any on actual incel forums.

They're like a terrorist group spliced with an MLM. They have labels, levels, practically their own language. They organise mass harressment, bullying and threatening of women who speak out on feminist issues. They report back on missions they've been on where they've stalked, followed or cat-fished women with the express intention of frightening them. They egg each other on to commit acts of violence, either against others or by suicide. A lot of them talk about Elliot Roger like he's some sort of cult leader. A lot of the men on the forums are young and obsessive and a lot of them have posted literally tens of thousands of times. The incel ideology is their life. I think it's terrifying.

No, not terrorism in my opinion. I don't think the use of violence is designed to intimidate the public. I don't think that there are any threats or statements to suggest that it is. From what I understand in this case it seems to be some sort of vengeance.

This movement is huge but is being extremely down played!

Useful quick summary
www.newamerica.org/political-reform/reports/misogynist-incels-and-male-supremacism/red-pill-to-black-pill/?fbclid=IwAR1psXgyZsSQsz1oHHP5jyoWyU-qM8h9rnc_0DxXe_vfzEH_Qfkj15aomyA

@Charlize43

I was reading about the Plymouth shooter today and watched one of his videos. It's very clear from his video that he was suffering from mental health problems as there was evidence of depression which often manifests as anger issues. If he'd got the support he needed it could maybe have all been avoided and lives may have been saved. His mother was concerned enough to ask for help, it is very sad that she was ignored, both by the NHS & also be the Police. Very, very, sad, especially for those families who lost loved ones.

This may well be true and it is equally true of many "terrorists" who have been convicted as such.

Our framing of what terrorism is since 9/11 has been overwhelmingly tainted with racism. Many of the men convicted of terrorist atrocities in UK have been socially isolated and then groomed by a death cult usually online. There really is no difference.

@MurielSpriggs

No, not terrorism in my opinion. I don't think the use of violence is designed to intimidate the public. I don't think that there are any threats or statements to suggest that it is. From what I understand in this case it seems to be some sort of vengeance.

So what was the Manchester bombing again? Vengeance to kill people or terrorism?

@RunningAlong

I'm not sure this will be a popular view but having flirted with incels and mgtow it definitely can be seen as terrorism but really that doesn't deal with the actual issues of men not just young who are frustrated and disaffected.

Then it's up to them to deal with their frustration, women need to very much be left out of it

@HangingOver

I think a lot of people on this thread haven't actually spent any on actual incel forums.

They're like a terrorist group spliced with an MLM. They have labels, levels, practically their own language. They organise mass harressment, bullying and threatening of women who speak out on feminist issues. They report back on missions they've been on where they've stalked, followed or cat-fished women with the express intention of frightening them. They egg each other on to commit acts of violence, either against others or by suicide. A lot of them talk about Elliot Roger like he's some sort of cult leader. A lot of the men on the forums are young and obsessive and a lot of them have posted literally tens of thousands of times. The incel ideology is their life. I think it's terrifying.

For anyone who doesn't think incel ideology falls under terrorism, please read this several times

Members expressing suicidal ideation on misogynist incel forums are also encouraged to “go ER” or “be a hERo,” meaning to commit mass murder before committing suicide. Many misogynist incels don’t just advocate for suicide as a solution to inceldom, but also to create structural change through first committing mass violence.

This is very frightening.

So what’s the political aim? Because that’s a key component of terrorism.

@Blossomtoes

So what’s the political aim? Because that’s a key component of terrorism.

The political aim is to regain a position of power over women and to have a culture whereby women are submissive, compliant and fearful of men.

A November 2014 Sluthate.com thread on “incel shooting sprees” demonstrates the roots of this thinking, arguing that such mass bloodshed is “the only way that sluts and alphas will realize and accept that there are serious consequences for allowing so many males to live their lives in misery.”

Wow!!
I did not realise it was this bad!
All because these men haven’t found a girlfriend yet FFS!!

@Blossomtoes it doesn’t have to be just political.

@ThisIsSimplyBeyond

Yes but surely from gingers post (and no personal opinion on whether this is terrorism is implied from this)

"CPS definition of terrorism:
Terrorism is the use or threat of action, both in and outside of the UK, designed to influence any international government organisation or to intimidate the public. It must also be for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

It does meet that definition.

Examples include:

serious violence against a person or damage to property,
endangering a person's life (other than that of the person committing the action),
creating a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public"

Just gonna quote myself. Try RTFT though.

I've fallen down a rabbit hole of research and apparently incels are not only resentful to good looking sexually successful men they call 'Chads' but also to (what they deem) unattractive women because they are often successful in bagging a Chad rather than plumping for self-pitying whiney and ugly incels.

So a hatred of all women really

I'd dread to know what the think of middle aged women, or maybe they don't know women who aren't potential shags on a stick even exist?

It is a hatred of women. An absolute obsession with sex and their apparent right to have sex regardless of consent or anything else seems very prevalent. On the forums they encourage each other to intimidate women, for example by following her at night. Their solution to just about everything is rape and they give each other tips on how to get away with it and how easy it is. In the book Men Who Hate Women, many examples of real exchanges on these forums are given. That book and what I have read since stopped me thinking it was a few tragic Internet trolls. They groom vulnerable boys and young men too. Once you start to research it you see just how horrifying it actually is.

Charlize43
I was reading about the Plymouth shooter today and watched one of his videos. It's very clear from his video that he was suffering from mental health problems as there was evidence of depression which often manifests as anger issues. If he'd got the support he needed it could maybe have all been avoided and lives may have been saved. His mother was concerned enough to ask for help, it is very sad that she was ignored, both by the NHS & also be the Police. Very, very, sad, especially for those families who lost loved ones.

I think in this instance we can't blame the authorities.

I family friend lost his gun license after concerns about his mental health was raised to the police. Their wife phoned and said his moods were getting aggressive and he ended up losing his license.

This bloke had his own licensed fire arm and if the police could revoke a license back then after worrying behaviour is displayed id hope they could now, if they do still have that power and they have ignored concerns about him then I think the authorities can be blamed a bit.

Agree @flashbac

The fact that so many people on this thread don’t know that Incels form part of a very deliberate movement with a political aim: to seek vengeance on women who deny them sex and assign each man a woman through coercion, just demonstrates how successfully the media has downplayed the threat of incels and how little importance is placed on the rights of women.