AIBU to be asked to reframe my trauma by the trans CEO of Scottish Rape Crisis?

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The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma"

Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service.

forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

Tonight is a really tough one. Women who have been raped or sexually assaulted need females to listen to them. Rape Crisis was that service and used to offer trauma based therapy.

I don't need educating - I know that detailing my experience to a man, or a transwomen is NEVER something I will do.

This is too much.

Christ, the agenda couldn’t be clearer.

The desperate backtracking of someone who knows, from the utter outrage of the general public, that they have finally, finally been seen for what they are - someone who utterly despises women. The TRA movement has got this far through flying under the radar and getting laws passed quietly (Google the Denton document if you don't believe me) and had thought that, once they were in power, that it would be a fait accompli.

The cry of 'transphobe!' has lost its power. The general public have woken up.

We see you. We will not stay silent.

Indeed no it couldn't actually be any more blatant. They have been ordered to placate us.

In fact, here it is - www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

If what we see/hear from someone is clearly prejudiced and we are not responding to their urgent support need it is also part of our role to provide a space to explore and challenge this, in as kind a way as possible. In order for us to create a safe space for survivors it also needs to be a safe space for staff and volunteers, where everyone feels valued, safe and respected.

No.

A volunteer who is seeking affirmation from trauma victims should kindly and politely be told that their services aren’t required.

[quote Chickenyhead]Because this is the interpretation the CEO of ERC has made in the past. t.co/ygZgHyDDr1[/quote]
'nevermind the victims, what about me?'

If what we see/hear from someone is clearly prejudiced and we are not responding to their urgent support need it is also part of our role to provide a space to explore and challenge this, in as kind a way as possible.

Does this apply to all less than desirable behaviours I wonder? Do they take the time to ‘challenge’ all the racism, ableism, misogyny, classism, ageism out of everyone before they’re deemed worthy of therapy?

I DIDN'T SAY WHAT I SAID, YOU BIGOTS

If what we see/hear from someone is clearly prejudiced and we are not responding to their urgent support need it is also part of our role to provide a space to explore and challenge this

No, it isn't. Especially when what you mean by "prejudiced" is "doesn't agree that males can become female".

What we can do, when they are ready and if they are interested, is to help them take part in wider discussions about how violence against women is a cause and a consequence of a deeply unequal and sexist society

How patronising. And how absolutely nothing to do with what MW actually said.

they, and I, have experienced racism and bigotry, and too often we have overlooked this across the violence against women sector.

This may be true but what has it got to do with raped and abused women? Again, blaming women and expecting us to service the counsellors.

This is all bullshit. You said what you said, MW, and everyone heard it.

Mridul is calling a woman's desire for a female counsellor 'bigoted'. Mridul is underlining that.

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@LittleMyTopKnot

I just don’t understand why MW is trying to make help for traumatised women political?

I would expect that all politics is kept out of trauma counselling. I don’t think left, right, religion, class etc, etc, should come into it. I am horrified that is seems to be essential to MW.

I think trauma counselling (and all counselling) should follow established psychological principles and centre the victim. With a counsellor that is acceptable for that particular victim.

Is MW a memetic if the British Psychological Society? What education does MW have in counselling and which principles does MW follow? I am trying to understand this better

Yes. I provide therapy to people with a range of views and respect their right to hold those views. Some clients use racist rhetoric in sessions and I say nothing about it as it isn’t my place to be trying to challenge their beliefs when they’re coming to me for help. They don’t know I’m married to an Asian person and that I have biracial children (I’m white), what they say would deeply offend me in another setting but it just isn’t my place to highlight or challenge those views in therapy. It’s quite scary anyone would think otherwise. And if someone requests a different therapist because they don’t feel comfortable with me for whatever reason, that is respected and accommodated. We’ve had patients request to change because of the ethnicity or gender or even age of their therapist and that’s absolutely fine, it’s not going to work or help someone unless they feel comfortable and like they can be open, and it’s not for us to pry into their reasons and judge whether they’re good enough either. I’d always support any client in asking to see someone else if they didn’t feel good seeing me.

I think there is chuff all substance to that statement and on an ordinary day I’d enjoy picking it apart but my brain is fried,

Wish someone would blow the big feminist conch, like the equivalent of Ron burgundy summoning the news team. Some good solid take down of that film flam would probably be better pain relief than my next dose of paracetamol and a cold flannel…

In an ordinary world I’d hope a petition for their resignation would already be on the go, but what chance would it have in Nicola’s Gilead?

Mhairi Black:
'The fact they're having to dedicate time and energy to defend themselves from baseless lies...*
Yunno what, Mhairi love? I'm fucking sick of the amount of time and energy that women could be dedicating to opposing FGM, or supporting women in Afghanistan, or whatever, is expended protecting single-sex spaces and women's sports and imprisoned women from an ideology that seeks to open those places and those sports to natal males, and make female prisoners even more vulnerable than they are already.

It's also fucking off-pissing that I can't just type what I feel in the words I would choose to say what I wish to say to you, Mhairi. Nope, I have to flannel and be careful in case I rack up another deletion and get sent to the naughty corner for having the temerity to care about other natal women.

I know you're there. I see you.

I think it is worth noting that Mridul does not have the work history, training or qualifications that one would expect for someone working in this field.

They have been ordered to placate us.

If that's placating I'd hate to see what a real "fuck you" looks like.

It's a statement about their determination to turn rape crisis services in to activist organisations for every social injustice and they plan to start with the reeducation of the women who need them most. It's almost as if they don't understand the word crisis.

The arrogance of "I'm drawing a line under the podcast" is breathtaking. It's a trait most often seen in only one of the two sex classes.

Still stuck on 'bigotry' being 'someone who holds a different belief to me'. No. It's been proven in court: it is not bigoted to believe that sex is immutable and that a male is a male regardless of how he identifies. This is a fixed determination of enforcing compelled belief on females in order to benefit male people. It is no different to enforcing the attendees to pray, confess their sins and declare a belief in God to match the provider's personal belief. There is no place for that.

And no, it is not a priority in female services to ensure that male people who identify as female are protected and feel comfortable when their presence is making female people feel anything but.

Male people are not more valuable than female ones. Rank, rank sexism.

If this individual genuinely cared they would be trying to provide some mixed sex women's provisions and some female only women's provisions. But this won't do, will it? Nothing for females only can be permitted. It's 'bigotry' for females not to put males first.

Someone with this kind of political agenda should not be allowed in a position of responsibility, never mind over vulnerable people of the very group they have a personal, vested interest in overriding.

Mnmumak, I am so happy to hear that.

It is obvious that there are views that are unacceptable (bigoted, racist, etc). But here we are talking about women in deep trauma after rape/sexual assault. There are other traumas (death of a spouse/child, infertility, degenerative illness of a loved one, etc, etc, etc). When people are in deep distress they need help for their mental health. The thought that some therapists out there are trying to push a political view when women are so vulnerable that they barely survive is beyond horrific. I am so happy that there at least are some responsible counsellors out there.

@ArabellaScottplease tell me that this is a misunderstanding? Surely Mridul is a licensed counsellor, accredited with the British Psychological Society? Or with the BACP?

That statement is absolutely doubling down & pushing the narrative that not believing that a person of one sex can magically become the other is transphobia.

I'm not anti catholic because I don't believe they're actually eating the blood & flesh of Christ 🤷‍♀️

That response is just a wordier version of Wroxie's "it's transphobic because it's transphobic."

There's two things going on in this debate: is it transphobic or not, and whether that transphobia should be challenged. All MW has done is answer the second by saying "we'll challenge it but in a really nice way." Which is irrelevant IMO because it's not even freaking transphobic to begin with!

And then to add insult to injury, MW actually appears to be saying that this apparent transphobic viewpoint is causing violence against women. ("violence against women is a cause and a consequence of a deeply unequal and sexist society"). Abhorrent.

I would say this is a major safeguarding issue.

You know when we all have to have DBS..or whatever it's called checks for being a secretary or something...well what happened to Mr Idul's one???

What kind of human being deliberately goes into rape counselling purely for the captive audience?

And what kind of human being specifically seeks out female rape victims, of all the captive audiences, to promote an agenda like this?

Hit the news here now. Comments well 🏌️‍♀️🏌️‍♀️

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19509343.outcry-plan-educate-bigoted-rape-survivors-trans-rights/

It's 'bigotry' for females not to put males first.

which makes you wonder why MW is so bothered if MW says they identify as a woman

I am really pleased to see this has made the Herald.

@LittleMyTopKnot

Mnmumak, I am so happy to hear that.

It is obvious that there are views that are unacceptable (bigoted, racist, etc). But here we are talking about women in deep trauma after rape/sexual assault. There are other traumas (death of a spouse/child, infertility, degenerative illness of a loved one, etc, etc, etc). When people are in deep distress they need help for their mental health. The thought that some therapists out there are trying to push a political view when women are so vulnerable that they barely survive is beyond horrific. I am so happy that there at least are some responsible counsellors out there.

@ArabellaScottplease tell me that this is a misunderstanding? Surely Mridul is a licensed counsellor, accredited with the British Psychological Society? Or with the BACP?

As far as I can see, Mridul has a BA in English Lit and an MSc in 'Management of Training and Development'.

I can't see Mridul registered with the BPS nor the BACP.