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To ask if it’s normal to never feel proud of yourself or your dc?

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Waltzingkoala · 10/08/2021 07:34

Most people I know seem to talk a lot about their dc and their own achievements and feel a genuine sense of pride.
It always makes me feel jealous, not because of the achievement but because they can feel that sort of emotion around it.
I feel really meh about anything my dc do, I just think they are normal average dc, doing normal average stuff.
I also feel that I am personally a failure. If I compare myself to most of my university peer group I am a failure, there’s no doubt. My marriage has also recently broken down so I’m a failure personally too.
It makes me feel sad that at approaching 40 I’ve never achieved anything, quite the opposite. I wonder if how I feel about myself sometimes gets projected onto my dc. My own parents were also never proud of me so I guess that might be part of it too.
If I had to do scribe myself in one word I’d say ‘failure’ or maybe ‘loser.’
I don’t think those things about my dc but I do just think 🤷🏼‍♀️ a lot of the time.
It must be nice to feel pleased about something you or your dc have done.

OP posts:
Hopeisallineed · 10/08/2021 09:12

Could you be struggling with a bit of depression? I find it hard to take delight in things ( which is part of feeling proud) when I’m down and not feeling right.

BizzyIzzyfruitpie · 10/08/2021 09:13

I agree with you to a certain extent. I’m not a gushy parent and don’t post all over Facebook when my child gets star of the week or other things like that. I am very proud of my kids though for just being my lovely. They don’t need to do anything in particular.

Thepathofleastresistance · 10/08/2021 09:25

You sound depressed nothing more or less. Get some medication (sertraline is good) and see three different therapists before you make a decision. Don't worry about your post. The fact you've posted means it's a problem for you. And you can't give your children what you never received as a child. That stuff takes fixing. Any massive life upheaval is going to make you feel unhappy. And possible hormonal changes too. Take some time to look at this stuff FIRST. Once you are on a more even keel you can look at parentjng children etc. But you are doing your best. Thanks

Waltzingkoala · 10/08/2021 09:27

I know my dc are good kids really. Neither are a problem at school, both are doing well. Or they were before the split, will have to see if it affects them. I think I’ve read a lot about how it’s an ACE and I’m sort of waiting for them to go into a decline now.
I probably am depressed but isn’t everyone right now?!

OP posts:
ikeepseeingit · 10/08/2021 09:30

@Waltzingkoala

I know my dc are good kids really. Neither are a problem at school, both are doing well. Or they were before the split, will have to see if it affects them. I think I’ve read a lot about how it’s an ACE and I’m sort of waiting for them to go into a decline now. I probably am depressed but isn’t everyone right now?!
A lot of people are! That doesn’t mean it’s normal though, it means a pandemic has forced people into isolating and they’ve lost their supposed systems. Speak to your GP, they can refer you to some help or medication, you don’t have to live without pride.
Hopeisallineed · 10/08/2021 09:30

No. I’m not depressed. Feel a lot to be grateful for.

ferneytorro · 10/08/2021 09:32

I am a bit like this and I know it's me that's odd but when I see people celebrating things I often cannot relate. People saying they are proud of their wife/partner for having a baby - why are you proud, it's a biological process. We climbed Kilimanjaro and all the people celebrating at the top - yes not easy but crikey calm down, you've not summitted Everest. As someone mentioned though, high expectations of myself which I think is the issue, so if someone says well done for something I just think - but I should be able to do that thing as I am lucky enough to be able bodied etc. I am very proud of my daughter but not in a gushy way. AS I said I know it's me that is odd! I am married to someone who is the same so that is not helpful.

Doona · 10/08/2021 09:36

Are you in lockdown, walzingkoala? Because everything sucks in lockdown. Getting through the day is a big achievement. Everything seems worse than it really is.

Iamnotminterested · 10/08/2021 09:38

Is that you Donald?

Ohpulltheotherone · 10/08/2021 09:49

OP you would massively benefit from some therapy.

No one spends every moment of their day feeing ecstatic and over the moon with themselves and their lives but it’s very normal have regular happy, proud, engaged, motivated and content moments. I would go so far to say if you’re never feeling any of these things then you are likely suffering from depression.

There’s a difference between being a pragmatic realist and someone who cannot muster ANY feelings and is ambivalent about everything.

also I should say it’s absolutely fine to celebrate and welcome being average. Our culture seems to say we must be extraordinary and special and gifted to warrant celebration.
You can absolutely celebrate and be proud of your children being totally average. They don’t have to be the next Elon Musk to deserve praise.

We should normalise aiming for and being content with “typical and average”

Flutteringwings · 10/08/2021 09:50

This makes me feel sad to read. Every DC does things to be proud of. It's not all about remarkable in the eyes of organised awards or exam results or being extra talented in specific fields.

It could be that they are kind to smaller children in the park, or nice to insects, or they chat nicely in the street with passing neighbours, or stay calm and helpful in the face of an emergency or an accident. Smaller things are to be very proud of too. Basically anything that is considered a good quality in a human. The world is made up of 99.9% of people who could be categorised as "unremarkable" in terms of not being famous or a trailblazer in their chosen career field, but the world doesn't turn on the 0.1% of people who are. Look at all the stories of so-called "unremarkable" people who are heroes when the chance arises.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 10/08/2021 09:51

I grew up with parents who never praised my sister or I. And I mean, never.

Not for A grade GCSEs, not top A levels& in my case, getting into Cambridge (although I went to Warwick as it was just more cool lol).

It has left a huge scar in my life. I have had such a variety of careers and jobs because no matter what I’ve done, that lack of parental praise has shattered my faith in my self, making me think that no matter what I do, it’s just not good enough.

Praise for even the smallest achievements helps build self esteem. In my case, my self esteem is through the floor.

I consciously praised my children precisely because I never received praise as a child. It didn’t matter if it was for a drawing or pooing on a loo when toilet training, or in one of my children’s case, being nominated for a child’s acting award in LA (it’s like the children’s Oscars) or his 1st at Uni, or my daughter’s growth into a successful illustrator. They had praise for muffing up their GCSEs (both were very ill during their schooling, one had to be homeschooled due to her health). I’ve always said it didn’t matter what they do, I would always be proud of them.

It wasn’t a case of over praising & putting them on a pedestal due to their achievements, they’re pretty average in the grand scheme of things. It was about helping them embody good self esteem, vital in grounding them & knowing they are loved.

My self esteem is shockingly awful. I’ve had depression for over 30 years, am about to embark on career number god knows, and have only managed to survive in the world by using a degree in drama & acting to pretend that I can do this. I couldn’t, in all good conscience, put my children through that hurt of feeling you’re not good enough, or not being told you’re loved (my mum started saying she loves me - and this is no word of a lie - about 5 years ago. 43 years without hearing my mother say she loves me, imagine how f’ed up that is!).

Sadly, my twin was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and even in her counselling & treatment that low self esteem & poor sense of self due to our parents has been recognised as a pointer toward the ‘nurture’ element in her illness’s progression.

I’ll admit, I learned the full importance of praise when I did my teacher training. About the links between praise & self esteem, how even the smallest praise can motivate a child.

My sister & 1 both had our children at 18 & 19. Looking back, we both feel in part it was that lack of parental praise & love that lead us to seek that love elsewhere & want a child so we could both have, and feel, loved.

It doesn’t matter if your child wins awards or get the A or is top of their class, give praise for the smallest achievement. If they have done something to the best of their ability, praise them. It’s a fundamental part of feeling of being loved & having self worth.

In the grand scheme of things, despite their achievements, my kids are pretty average. I’m proud of them no matter what, and they know that.

Please, please OP contact your GP to signpost you to counselling. My experience may be extreme, but low self esteem & that feeling of never being good enough, unloved, lead me down a dark, dark road. Take my cautionary tale & get help for yourself.

tl;dr Never praised as a child, lack of self esteem, f’ed up as an adult. Praised my kids, told them i loved & are proud of them, self esteem good, handling the adult work like champs.

5475878237NC · 10/08/2021 10:01

This is really sad OP. Your parents have failed you here by not building any self worth and pride in you. I'm not sure your inauthenticity won't be picked up by your own kids.

shouldistop · 10/08/2021 10:07

I probably am depressed but isn’t everyone right now?!

No. I think you need to see your gp

RedMarauder · 10/08/2021 10:08

@ferneytorro

People saying they are proud of their wife/partner for having a baby - why are you proud, it's a biological process.

Some mothers and/or babies don't survive child birth even in a Western country with good healthcare compared to the developing world. I know people who have lost babies so while it may be a biological process it is a new life and so a new person which is always something to celebrate.

We climbed Kilimanjaro and all the people celebrating at the top - yes not easy but crikey calm down, you've not summitted Everest.

I've never climbed a mountain and due to genetic reasons will never be able to. Other people won't climb mountains because they will never be fit enough, are scared of heights, can't be bothered, etc. So the fact you have climbed to the top of one is amazing as most people won't do so.

I have run marathons in the past. When people enter and run their first 5K I'm always amazed, happy for them and praise them even if they are a complete stranger. Why? The first step in running any longer distance is doing a 5K. Even though some people are fit enough to do a 5K with no/little training but they still have to deal with the self-esteem issues around running with loads of people present.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 10/08/2021 10:11

@ferneytorro

I am a bit like this and I know it's me that's odd but when I see people celebrating things I often cannot relate. People saying they are proud of their wife/partner for having a baby - why are you proud, it's a biological process. We climbed Kilimanjaro and all the people celebrating at the top - yes not easy but crikey calm down, you've not summitted Everest. As someone mentioned though, high expectations of myself which I think is the issue, so if someone says well done for something I just think - but I should be able to do that thing as I am lucky enough to be able bodied etc. I am very proud of my daughter but not in a gushy way. AS I said I know it's me that is odd! I am married to someone who is the same so that is not helpful.
There is a term for people like this. A buzzkiller.
ferneytorro · 10/08/2021 10:13

Hi yes (sorry can’t tag) that was my point I don’t think I’m right with my thoughts! Pride though is t something I feel eg childbirth I and the baby nearly died, I’m not proud I didn’t and neither is my husband! I’d love to be comfortable enough to celebrate achievements.

FoxgloveSummers · 10/08/2021 10:19

No not everyone is depressed. Maybe you just always have been. You’re unable to feel joy and that means part of your emotional range isn’t able to switch on for some reason. I’ve only ever felt like that when depressed. If you can’t feel proud of other people, do you ever feel pleased for them? As in genuinely - that’s so great that person got the job they wanted, had a baby, learned to ice skate - and you really feel it?

GreatAuntEmily · 10/08/2021 10:33

I just think they’re normal average children who will grow up to be unremarkable adults.

Show me an unremarkable adult. I used to work in a hospital and occasionally had time to speak to some of the many elderly patients - OMG their lives had been quite astounding often, maybe not to you OP but if someone says off the cuff 'oh I was a headmaster for 30 years' or ' I was in Burma fighting during the war' (showing my age here) yor ' I was a dog trainer as a career' I mean - have you tried to train a dog????

I am hugely impressed. Maybe they bake great cakes or grow wonderful fruit and veg. Or help their grandchildren to learn to read., or helped get an injured person to hospital. Or support a depressed friend.

I think the lack of interest parents is a big part of it but it's party because I don't have a great impression of myself that I think my adult DCs are pretty amazing.

bilbodog · 10/08/2021 10:42

I think this sounds like depression which is an illness - not just feeling fed up. Sounds like you have no feelings for anything - like you can see the sun is shining but you cant ‘feel’ it. Get some help - anti-depressants are probably the first thing to try and see how you go.

Be kind to yourself - you need to nurture yourself before you can nurture your children. Take care.

TiredButDancing · 10/08/2021 10:48

Your posts have made me very sad OP. I think that you absolutely should seek help for your own depression and obviously significant self esteem issues. Between your parents' shitty parenting and the breakdown in your marriage, it's not surprising that you feel this way.

More importantly, you are doing it to your children too and that must stop. 99% of us are normal average unremarkable people. That doesn't mean we can't feel proud of our achievements or the things we do. DH and I have been bursting with pride at the end of the last school term because DS massively failed a maths test.... but it's a maths test that neither the school nor us nor DS had thought he could even realistically be given at this point. He's worked so hard that he's taking the same tests, albeit badly, as the other students (because he's successfully passing the easier ones). This is revolutionary for us.

I am a perfectly normal, unremarkable person but my DH thinks I'm hilariously funny and loves that about me. DS loves food and loves the way I cook. These aren't things that will ever bring me world fame or change the world, but I am happy and pleased and yes, proud, that these aspects of who I am bring joy to the people I love.

Frogsonglue · 10/08/2021 10:51

Fucking hell, who isn't proud of the partner when she's just given birth?! It's often the most physically gruelling and scary experiences a woman will go through in her life. However the birth ends up going, labouring is always something to be proud of! Buzzkiller is spot on.

DisorganisedOrganiser · 10/08/2021 15:55

I get it OP in terms of not being proud of myself. I’m certainly not proud of myself for giving birth. It’s a biological process which I didn’t handle very well. First time I couldn’t cope with the pain and second time I just embarrassed myself when I had so hoped to have a better birth by being in control and dignified. I can run 5k and am always surprised by people being impressed, it is an absolute basic level of fitness. In no way am I fit enough or do I do enough exercise (so not proud of myself there) and my 5k time is terrible. I also don’t do enough in the house and totally sold out in my career so I could avoid working nights and weekends to be with the kids more. Basically I am totally average which I certainly do not think deserves praise. I try not to pass this attitude on to my DC.

Still, I can never get on board with sharing school reports on Facebook (vomit inducing and so unfair to parents whose children are struggling) or star of the week (every child gets it once, how is that an achievement, the teacher has to look for something to find praise worthy).

We seem to celebrate being average yet at the same time I look at the Olympics and know that those athletes didn’t win by being average. They have a drive I will never have. I feel constantly guilty that I am not good enough in every aspect of my life. Yet I don’t want to put the effort in to be better. So no, I am not proud of myself.

Sirinn · 10/08/2021 16:07

Having low expectations for yourself is one thing, your own issue to sort out - but to feel that way about your kids is very shocking.

Raising children is supposed to be about supporting them to be better than their circumstances, to push limits. You've already given up on yours.

5475878237NC · 10/08/2021 16:09

For those who feel this way about themselves, would you want your children to feel this way? If not, why is it Ok for you to feel like it about yourselves? It sounds so sad.

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