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To think she had this baby out of spite?

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Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 14:36

Name changed because on the off chance the woman in question uses MN i don't want her knowing who i am by my posting history.

I'll call her Sarah.

Sarah was in a relationship with 'John' and the pair had a child. After 6 years together the relationship came to an end - but during the final 2 years of the relationship Sarah had multiple terminations of unplanned pregnancies because she didn't want more children and the pair were growing apart. The split, however, was instigated by her.

They broke up and 18 months later John met and began a relationship with somebody else. They got engaged and conceived a baby.

Sarah then decided she wanted him back after all.

At this point Sarah became even more difficult (think using her existing child as a weapon)

When Johns partner was heavily pregnant Sarah orchestrated a situation whereby she and John would be alone together, think special occasion under the guise of being for their child's benefit. Alcohol was involved.

Sarah made a pass at John, and because John is a selfish idiot and wasn't getting much 'action' at home with his heavily pregnant fiance, he reciprocated and they had a one night stand. John claims Sarah told him she was on the contraceptive implant so they didn't need to use a condom. John didn't question it and was happy to proceed without.

Soon after, very soon indeed, almost as if she was waiting to test, Sarah tells John she's pregnant and wants him to get back together with her "for their family" and try again.

John doesn't want to re-enter the relationship and wants to stay with his then current partner, who was expected to give birth any day.

Sarah decides that actually 'now' (then) is the perfect time to bring another child into the world and she would be having the baby regardless. Issues ultimatums. Briefly stops contact between John and his existing child when John says he doesn't want another.

Bare in mind that before the relationship ended, Sarah was adamant she didn't want any more children and exercised her right to terminate multiple pregnancies because the time wasn't right and the relationship was failing. It was only after seeing John settling down with somebody else she changed her mind.

Johns partner found out and was understandably crushed, now years later has to co-parent and see that (yes totally innocent) child on a regular basis.

WIBU to believe that Sarah, with all of the above taken into consideration, had this child out of spite?

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Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:12

[quote SaharaFlower]@Nineteeneightynine : It is offensive to claim we with AS are gullible.[/quote]
Well I apologise for any offence caused, however it's common knowledge that people on the ASD spectrum are more susceptible to manipulation than NT folk. It's down to the difference in communication between autistic people and neurotypical people.

It isn't a criticism of people with AS, more so those who purposefully deceive them knowing they'll be able to.

From an autistic persons own experience:

researchautism.org/too-nice-avoiding-the-traps-of-exploitation-and-manipulation/

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Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:15

@santabetterwashhishands

John should have kept it in his pants and thought about his heavily pregnant gf 🤷‍♀️
Yes, he absolutely should have.

He should probably have a vasectomy too before any more women and children are thrust into the chaos.

Meanwhile Sarah should have thought about the child she already had, before trying to use that pregnancy to win back her ex whom she only decided that she wanted back again once he was engaged to be married and had a baby on the way.

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Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:16

John is a wanker.

Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:17

I feel sorry for Sarah

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:18

@Royalbloo

I feel sorry for Sarah
Why on earth would you?
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Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:19

And I think to believe that she wasn't fed a spiel of lies is naeve

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:19

@Royalbloo

John is a wanker.
I'll give you that one.
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Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:19

Because it didn't happen by accident and I think he's playing both 'sides' of his fiddle

Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:20

I'd drop them both and take up crochet

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:21

@Royalbloo

And I think to believe that she wasn't fed a spiel of lies is naeve
I'm not naive.

I know what type of person she is, I have seen first hand how she behaved and handled things including having to be dragged to court to re commence contact between her eldest child and John, which she stopped once he said he didn't want another baby and wouldn't be going back to her. She weaponises her children.

Is that somebody who acts in their child's best interests? I would reserve my pity for her.

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Royalbloo · 08/08/2021 19:21

I genuinely don't think anyone has a child out of spite

toocold54 · 08/08/2021 19:22

Meanwhile Sarah should have thought about the child she already had, before trying to use that pregnancy to win back her ex whom she only decided that she wanted back again once he was engaged to be married and had a baby on the way.

Honestly OP if you are the new gf I’d stay far away from these two as I don’t think this is the last baby they’re going to have together and I wouldn’t trust him not to cheat or leave me for her.

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:24

@Royalbloo

I genuinely don't think anyone has a child out of spite
Spite was perhaps not the most appropriate word, a previous poster put it much better than I did.
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BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 08/08/2021 19:28

John is clearly a despicable piece of shit. God knows why any woman would want him.

ObviousNameChage · 08/08/2021 19:29

@Nineteeneightynine still waiting to find out where you got all your info from.

dopeyduck · 08/08/2021 19:32

I mean perhaps it was spite or perhaps it wasn't but it was John that went & put his dick back in there, this situation is caused by John. If the ex was such a bitch then frankly he shouldn't have slept with her, contraception aside.

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:32

I'm not going to say who I am bar a relative, I don't want any further drama as it's the children who suffer and I can assure you if either of them got wind of me posting this there would be nothing but.

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BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 08/08/2021 19:32

Why is your main bile reserved for Sarah? John had behaved at least as badly?

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:33

@dopeyduck

I mean perhaps it was spite or perhaps it wasn't but it was John that went & put his dick back in there, this situation is caused by John. If the ex was such a bitch then frankly he shouldn't have slept with her, contraception aside.
I don't think he has any respect for himself let alone anybody else. He will clearly think with his genitals. I would not be surprised to see the whole thing repeat itself again in time.
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MrsBobDylan · 08/08/2021 19:34

Feels like we're being asked to examine two piles of turd and assess which is the most offensive.

John knows having sex with Sarah has led to multiple pregnancies. It is highly unlikely he was misled because he has Aspergers and mild LD.

I suspect John is your brother op and you are trying to convince yourself he is a good person and this situation is Sarah's fault because he is a hard person to like/love.

Needapoodle · 08/08/2021 19:34

Meanwhile Sarah should have thought about the child she already had, before trying to use that pregnancy to win back her ex whom she only decided that she wanted back again once he was engaged to be married and had a baby on the way.

The misogyny is dripping off your posts. It's her body and her choice. John should have thought about his children he already had before he went shagging around. And now he's ruined three childrens lives by being a shit father. Its incredible how many men will slag off a woman and yet he's still willing to sleep with her.

He caused this by choosing to have sex with her. If he hadn't had sex with her, there would have been no baby.

You've got no idea what Sarah would say if she posted here and you've got no idea at all what goes on been two people. You've only got one, very biased side of the story. Those poor children in the middle of this utter mess of a family .. And that goes for you as well with your nasty gossiping and trying to make other women responsible for poor, sweet naive john's actions.

Nineteeneightynine · 08/08/2021 19:36

@BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand

Why is your main bile reserved for Sarah? John had behaved at least as badly?
Of course he has, he has behaved appallingly and I have never suggested otherwise.

If you read my posts I have referred to him as many things, none particularly nice.

He was under no illusion as to what I thought about his decisions and conduct.

If I'm coming across as scathing toward Sarah then that's because I've seen how she has behaved too, including weaponising the children, parental alienation.

John aside, her behaviour has lead several of us to the conclusion that she had that poor child because she had an agenda.

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Lumpwoody · 08/08/2021 19:37

I think you’re his sister too. This is exactly the sort of bile my ex SIL came out with. And her and her mum and my BIL wife (also my SIL But by marriage) did exactly what you’re doing here.

It’s vile and despicable to behave the way you are op.

Seesawmummadaw · 08/08/2021 19:37

Poor fertile John. All these women wanting sex and babies.

CaptSkippy · 08/08/2021 19:38

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