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Imtootired · 08/08/2021 12:30

I’ve been part of a group for a while. It’s a political party, mainstream left wing. I haven’t gone to events for a while. The local group I’m in is shutting down and there was a party last night. I’ve made some good friends through the group but I was never super involved, ie position or candidate but did volunteer a lot of time at different periods. The group is very cliquey.

A few years ago after an event me and my friend went back from an event and gave a lift to someone from the group and they came back to my place on the way to drop him off and we all chatted for ages until very late at night. I liked him as a friend but never had a thing for him. He friended me on Facebook recently and I added him to be polite even though I don’t usually like to add people I don’t know well.

That brings me back to last night. The event was at a private area of a bar. I went with my friend and brought my toddler along after ringing the bar earlier and checking it was safe and ok. I said hello to a few people I know and then I was sitting at a table and my toddler was perched very happily on a barstool so I had to stand next to him to keep him safe. I was by myself a few times and no one came up to chat, to say hello to my little one or to offer to get me a drink or food as I couldn’t easily move. My friends did at various times and most of the night was fine but I just found people ignoring me, by myself, really rude.

I’m now a regular member of a different group and we would never have done that!!! By the way it wasn’t strange that I was there if I’m in a different group now because it was for all past and present members. The guy who came to my house was standing by himself at one point and he awkwardly avoided looking at me and went to chat to a group. It was so rude. I am a single mum and it makes me feel as if he thinks I’m so desperate that if he talks to me I’ll be obsessed and in love with him.

He wants a future in politics and I’m tempted to message him and say that voters can generally sense if someone is genuine or a social climber and so maybe he should give up on it because he comes across as very shallow and fake. I won’t do that in case he’s recently had a death in the family or something like that, in which case I would come across very badly.

I got a coffee with a friend this morning, who is also part of the group but wasn’t there last night. I told her what happened and she said “was that ? He did the same thing to me!” But it was actually even ruder in her case.

If the group was still going to be around I might consider circulating a general message saying that it would be nice if the group had a more inclusive culture if they want to attract and, more importantly, keep new members.
AIBU for thinking people should be inclusive and friendly in groups?

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EishetChayil · 08/08/2021 13:55

I have a toddler myself, and can categorily say that I wouldn't be hugely keen on someone bringing theirs to a bar, of all places.

TheFrogsAreDying · 08/08/2021 13:56

You did sit it out OP.

SquirryTheSquirrel · 08/08/2021 13:56

as a single mother should I just sit out events like this, where I can meet like minded people and discuss things that are important to me?

I don't think you should sit them out. Would it be an option to get a babysitter for your toddler, so you could socialise and mingle freely? Or what about suggesting a family-friendly daytime event - such as a nature ramble (dog-friendly too!).

SmallChairs · 08/08/2021 13:58

Honestly, OP, you seem as if you have a very specific set of rules you expect other people to obey because you think they’re obvious, and you then resent them for not doing so.

You also seem to have invented a scenario whereby someone who once came to your house years ago was ignoring you because he thinks you’re in love with him???

TheYearOfSmallThings · 08/08/2021 13:59

Ok I will ask you then, as a single mother should I just sit out events like this, where I can meet like minded people and discuss things that are important to me?

No. You swap babysitting with your friends, so you can attend and participate on the same level as everyone else.

I am a single parent with no family in the UK and that is what I do. Bringing DS to adult events in bars in the evening would very obviously not work, and it is nothing to do with discrimination against single parents

thepeopleversuswork · 08/08/2021 13:59

@Imtootired

I don’t think anyone is saying you have to sit things out because you have a toddler.

But you need to be realistic: people going to an event like this which centres around adult discussion and networking aren’t going to gravitate to someone who isn’t going to be able to devote all of their attention to the conversation.

SheABitSpicyToday · 08/08/2021 14:00

Yeah families go out at night for dinner etc.

Not to political events that are very much NOT for children.

Againstmachine · 08/08/2021 14:03

He wants a future in politics and I’m tempted to message him and say that voters can generally sense if someone is genuine or a social climber and so maybe he should give up on it because he comes across as very shallow and fake

That doesn't t matter in politics, voters more less vote for a party rather than person.

Nohomemadecandles · 08/08/2021 14:03

Sorry OP. If I've left my kids at home, I'm not looking after a stranger's so they can enjoy an event!

TooWicked · 08/08/2021 14:03

My friend and I were saying today that we thought bringing kids or dogs to events would good icebreakers.

Yes, they’re perfect icebreakers for mum & baby, or toddler groups, and dog walking groups or meet ups.

Againstmachine · 08/08/2021 14:04

Not to political events that are very much NOT for children.

Unless it was momentum who were very keen on indoctrinating children.

MichelleScarn · 08/08/2021 14:05

Ok I will ask you then, as a single mother should I just sit out events like this, where I can meet like minded people and discuss things that are important to me?
No-one has said this?

Nohomemadecandles · 08/08/2021 14:07

I think the bit about him expecting you to fall in love with him is something you've given too much thought to and embroidered over time. You gave him a lift. He sent you a FB request. Some people have 1000's of FB friends. He couldn't be expected to know the general rule you set yourself but broke for him!

I get it must be miserable sometimes as a lone parent but some groups and events aren't meant for kids. Maybe start one? Parents for Lib Dems or something?

MorrisZapp · 08/08/2021 14:07

Being a parent does mean missing out on some adult stuff for a limited time, until the kids are old enough to be left with friends etc.

It's not forever.

SmallChairs · 08/08/2021 14:09

@Imtootired

I’m kind of sick of the pearl clutching about a toddler at a bar. It was between 6-8 in a private area with no loud music and no drunk people. I didn’t realise women and children needed to be back in their homes by a certain time!! Has anyone ever lived outside of the UK/ Australia??? You know in a lot of the world families actually go out at night. Scandal
I frequently brought my toddler son out with me in various countries, but what I didn’t do was expect other people to treat me differently because I had, or get criss enough to post about it on the internet when they didn’t.

Also, it seems peculiar to me to describe a political party in whose principles you presumably believe as ‘cliquey’ and ‘a popularity contest’.

Viviennemary · 08/08/2021 14:09

You need to get together with other parents and swap babysitting. Political meetings and bars aren't for toddlers IMHO. My heart would sink if I saw toddlers (or dogs) at this kind of event.

GrettaGreen · 08/08/2021 14:10

Child or no child, it's unrealistic to stand at the bar all night and expect everyone else to approach you and initiate all the conversations. That doesn't mean the event wasn't child friendly but rather that you needed to make some effort to interact.

brokenbiscuitsx · 08/08/2021 14:10

@Nohomemadecandles

Sorry OP. If I've left my kids at home, I'm not looking after a stranger's so they can enjoy an event!
Yep. Last time I went to an event where there was a baby there, I showed a bit of interest, held the baby for 5 mins whilst she popped to the loo. Half hour later I’m wondering where she is, why she is taking so long and I see her by the bar chatting with a drink! CF!! Angry

So I avoid people with children at events now Grin

Againstmachine · 08/08/2021 14:17

*Being a parent does mean missing out on some adult stuff for a limited time, until the kids are old enough to be left with friends etc.

It's not forever.*

Totally I've lost count of people who wanted life's to go on and be out at weekends with their mates and moaning couldn't get a babysitter.

You have kids life changes.

overnightangel · 08/08/2021 14:18

You seem to think people should be falling over themselves, nay obliged to talk to you Confused

If you come across in real life like you do on here (entitled, contrary, offended by everything and guilty of nothing) they were probably wise to give you a wide berth.

Also, this ….

“My friend and I were saying today that we thought bringing kids or dogs to events would good icebreakers.”

So you take your child to inappropriate events to stimulate conversation/network?

Very odd thread

Aprilx · 08/08/2021 14:22

@Imtootired

And by the way I don’t expect people to read my mind or wait on me. I just think if you’re chatting in a big group at an event and there’s a person by them self at the next table you could try to include them. Later in the evening my friends were at the table with me and someone was by themselves next to us and we said hello to her. To me it’s common courtesy
No it isn’t really common courtesy. What is normal at social events like this sounds, is for individuals to take responsibility for themselves and mingle if they want to mingle. Not sit there and wait for people to come to them. And you were weird brining a poorly toddler to an event that was clearly meant for adults. Why you couldn’t just give it a miss is beyond me.
Imtootired · 08/08/2021 14:26

@Nohomemadecandles

I think the bit about him expecting you to fall in love with him is something you've given too much thought to and embroidered over time. You gave him a lift. He sent you a FB request. Some people have 1000's of FB friends. He couldn't be expected to know the general rule you set yourself but broke for him!

I get it must be miserable sometimes as a lone parent but some groups and events aren't meant for kids. Maybe start one? Parents for Lib Dems or something?

Yes I understand he was probably friending everyone on his “suggested friends” to get a wide reach for political stuff. I just found it rude that someone I vaguely know couldn’t have made chit chat to me when I was sitting by myself. And maybe my opinion of him has been coloured a bit by what my friend told me about him. She had been spending a bit of time with him on something and she had a bit of a crush on him but also liked him as a friend. He had a cold and she brought him around some homemade food and baked treats and he never said thank you or returned the containers. To me that is so rude!! He just seems very arrogant to me
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Imtootired · 08/08/2021 14:31

It was a small party not a political conference. To me that’s the sort of event that should be nice to take kids to. Plus I wasn’t saying I brought him there as an icebreaker I was just saying that in a lot of situations people love having kids around. Obviously not a popular opinion on here though :\

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Nohomemadecandles · 08/08/2021 14:38

I absolutely do not love having other people's kids around. Especially at an adult event. Clearly the people at the small party felt the same!

Skysblue · 08/08/2021 14:39

Yanbu. I’m sorry you had a bad experience.

I’ve actually experienced very similar behaviour at cliquey mother-toddler groups so I don’t think it was because your toddler was there, I think it was because you weren’t in whatever ‘inner circle’ they had going on. Some groups are just like that unfortunately.