Nine years for starving a baby to death

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I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

@Lockheart thanks for your posts on this thread.

An absolute tragedy.

I remember reading this and being so traumatised, especially as a new mum at the time

Katiebee008 thank you, I'm horrified at some of the comments on this thread.

@LifesNotEnidBlyton

Another thread where the comments wouldn't be the same if the sex of the person was swapped. Comment after comment about "I'd like to know the full story" and "The father likely raped her" "Why isn't the father in trouble for leaving his chuld there".

This wouldn't be the comments if a father, troubled teenager or not, did this to a baby. No, the comments then would be "He should get life." "He was likely abusing the mother too." "Being a troubled teenager is no excuse for this.".

I agree

I can’t believe people are making excuses for this piece of shit. An adult woman chose to actively neglect and starve her baby to death. She is no better than any man who beats, abused or kills a baby. She knew she was inflicting harm upon her child by failing to take care of its basic needs but was too preoccupied with partying and how many likes to could get on Insta enough to care. No excuses, she is scum.

I agree.

My 7 year old son just said in relation to his 3 year old brother: “I would never leave him on his own in our house because he’s just a baby and he would be so scared on his own and if he didn’t have food for two days he’d probably die.”

If my 7 year old is intelligent enough to know that people need to eat to live then there’s absolutely no excuse for this woman as I’m pretty sure we would have known the same thing herself but just didn’t give a sh*t.

What she did was abhorrent and nothing excuses it.

@hudagee

Do you think she thought it would be ok? I'm incredibly confused at the thought process

I’m purely guessing here, but I wonder if she thought that because her daughter had been discovered alone 11 times before, that someone would discover that she was alone again this time and look after her until she came back.

Such an incredibly upsetting event, that poor little girl.

@MrsPelligrinoPetrichor

Katiebee008 thank you, I'm horrified at some of the comments on this thread.

Me too. So many people making excuses for a child killer

She clearly had no mind with her child and no one idea how to to parent.
She wanted to go out and have fun and she was stuck with seemingly no support and no one to watch the baby and baby sit.

It's goes without saying what she has done is unforgivable but she's a product of our care system.
Our care system where we can't seemingly protect vulnerable children ourselves as a society.

She'd done it before. She'd had her child removed before. Obviously she didn't give a shiny shit.

Who knew she was leaving her and why wasn't that addressed!
She was spoken too but clearly the issue was never resolved.

She had no bond with the child.

Pretending that there’s no backstory, that a victim of sexual abuse who was a runaway child was so unaffected that the only option was that she was evil, to cases like this does absolutely nothing to help children in danger from circumstances like this.

It simply allows people to get outraged only at the mother and ignore the multiple issues that leads to situations like this.

There are countless obvious questions in this case and that’s without even the judges full judgement or the serious case review. But easier for folks to pretend it’s just about evilness and that’s that.

No wonder things have hardly changed since I was a child and the systematic underfunding of crucial services has been supported.

@MiddleAgeWoman

From reports this woman was in a mother and baby unit with her baby and was then moved to medium support housing where support is on hand if needed, so she must have convinced social workers that she was able to take care of her baby. She would have been heavily monitored and taught how to care for her child.The baby looks very healthy and well cared for as well, so she knew what she was doing and to suggest that she may not have realised the danger she had left her child in is laughable.

She wasn’t left holding the baby with no support and she had every opportunity to get it from the staff on site. She had been warned numerous times about leaving her baby alone.

She was online selling concert tickets earlier in the day before she returned home to find her child dead. She wasn’t capable of making a phone call to let someone know her baby had been alone for 6 days? In the days before that where she could have been saved? She nipped into M&S on her way home, no rush to get back to her.

The poor mite had flu so would have been feverish and unwell as well as starving, thirsty and sore from not having her nappy changed.

She was posting online trying to become a model in the months after her baby’s death. Doesn’t sound remorseful to me.

I don’t care what this woman’s background was, or the excuses people want to make for her, she is a monster who knowingly inflicted a torturous death on a defenceless baby.

She should be locked up for life.

Totally agree

@JustLyra

Pretending that there’s no backstory, that a victim of sexual abuse who was a runaway child was so unaffected that the only option was that she was evil, to cases like this does absolutely nothing to help children in danger from circumstances like this.

It simply allows people to get outraged only at the mother and ignore the multiple issues that leads to situations like this.

There are countless obvious questions in this case and that’s without even the judges full judgement or the serious case review. But easier for folks to pretend it’s just about evilness and that’s that.

No wonder things have hardly changed since I was a child and the systematic underfunding of crucial services has been supported.

Absolutely agree with this. Ignoring the surrounding circumstances helps no one. Its not about making excuses.

Just lyra I agree. I'm shocked and outraged by this but I'm struggling to understand how she had the child in the first place she was a run away herself and clearly did not bond with her child at all.

@Lockheart

I suspect the biological father was unaware of the child's existence. My heart weeps.

Odds are the biological father was her rapist.

Yes.

The girl was taken into care because she was being sexually explored in a child exploitation situation aged 14.

Whilst in LA care she became pregnant, as a result of sexual exploitation and gave birth aged 16.

She went to live with her own mother but was then moved into a ‘supported’ hostel. Aged 16, with her baby.

The baby was put in the child protection register at birth… but by the time she died 20 months later still did not have a social worker assigned to her.

Despite the hostel having Reception staff no one noticed (or dud anything about) Kurdi leaving for days at a time without her baby.

That’s some of the back story.

Disgusting she should be killed via the death sentence, if she is sane enough to leave the house and party then she is sane enough to drop it at hospital on the way out.

I can’t stop thinking about that child.

I'm sure this case was discussed a few months ago on MN and whilst not condoning her behaviour in any way at all and it breaks my heart as a mother that a baby would be left entirely alone for that long ( the emotional and physical distress they would endure does not bear thinking about) I do think there might be a back story and missing information.
The easy thing (and is natural) to be angry and say the mother is evil...and maybe she is but I feel there are unanswered questions on how the mother as well as the baby have been failed.

For a start how does a teen mum, presumably not working, fund a 6 day trip to various cities and clubs? And who was she with etc.

@JustLyra

Pretending that there’s no backstory, that a victim of sexual abuse who was a runaway child was so unaffected that the only option was that she was evil, to cases like this does absolutely nothing to help children in danger from circumstances like this.

It simply allows people to get outraged only at the mother and ignore the multiple issues that leads to situations like this.

There are countless obvious questions in this case and that’s without even the judges full judgement or the serious case review. But easier for folks to pretend it’s just about evilness and that’s that.

No wonder things have hardly changed since I was a child and the systematic underfunding of crucial services has been supported.

really well said - it's so complex - she was a care experienced child who had a child. There was neglect, abuse, sexual exploitation, teen pregnancy, foster care for the baby, a return to her mum that rapidly broke down, moved to accommodation that had minimal support

Of course the mother has responsibility but so do the people around her - how the hell do you know how to be a good parent when you have no model to base it on? Trauma and abuse have huge life long impacts on people

Care experienced young people are more like to end up in PRISON than in University - they already have so many cards stacked against them

Services need to be funded to offer real support - maybe we start be funding better care post 18 - rather than kicking kids out of their homes the day they turn 18 and dumping them in 'supported' accommodation?

Maybe we offer therapy and support - maybe we fund social services to run properly rather than having over worked understaffed and failing services.

Maybe we need a network of support - maybe we should have sure start? Pre-apprenticeship options for young parents to be, youth services? All things that have vanished due to funding issues

We set our care leavers up to fail

Bet some relative comes crawling out from beneath a stone and says they are so so sorry.

Ker ching

I lost my second daughter in January. Taken from us, just like that. I would've cared for her down to every last detail. I am so incredibly hurt babies can be left in such situations. It broke my heart to read this

Then again, this mother obviously had a lot of her own issues going on. It doesn't matter if someone else has been through the same and wouldn't have done this - Fact is, her set up was shit. The poor girl was raped too whilst still a child. These things can lead us down the most awful of paths

I hope prison will be okay for her and she is remorseful and manages to get on with her life, eventually. That poor baby.

I grew up on a sink estate. I was ‘dragged up’ as they say. 20 years ago a lad I used to okay hide and seek with was convicted of murdering his girlfriend’s 4 year child, he was a boxer and punched him when he cried too loudly. She was convicted of being an accessory to the abuse. This was the life I was surrounded by but I got out and I’m now a teacher. I was a child growing up in an alcoholic dysfunctional family. My only dinner was my school dinner. I have never hurt another person so I don’t think it’s fair to blame social services/circumstances etc.

Junipoor I'm so sorry for your loss and so impressed by your compassion

...how the hell do you know how to be a good parent when you have no model to base it on? Trauma and abuse have huge life long impacts on people

I’m sorry, but every person in the world knows that food and drink is essential to live.

You don’t need good parent models to understand that basic fact.

I absolutely understand that ones own experience of being patented can massively impact on how you are as a parent yourself, especially when trauma and abuse is thrown into the equation.

However, this woman left her baby for 6 days with no food or water, and lied to people to cover up her tracks so people would think the baby was being cared for in her absence. She knew exactly what she was doing, and she would have known that leaving a baby to go without food or water for 6 days would have severe implications.

Maybe she didn’t think the child would die, but I find that very hard to believe.

And even if she genuinely didn’t think the infant would die, she was still being extremely and knowingly neglectful in the most abhorrent manner.

@Puzzledandpissedoff - my DBF lives in supported accomodation. The landlord can claim a 2 bedroom rate for each resident even though there is only 1 staff room. So there are 5 residents and 6 rooms. The LL gets HB for 10 bedrooms! He also gets funding to pay the staff (minimum wage - many can't speak good English). Then each resident pays £20 pw for bills. So over £400 pm paid by the house for rubbish WIFI and a boiler that often doesn't work. The 'support' is non-existant.

Yet another serious case review and lessons to be learned !

Out in 5 years and able to have more children