Nine years for starving a baby to death

[PropertyFlipper]

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

@Bibidy

I just can't understand how this can happen in supported housing. The whole point is that someone checks in.

So either they failed in their duty or she lied and told them both she and her baby were going away so they didn't check, but it doesn't seem that was the case.

Not necessarily. There are varying levels of support. At the lower end, it can be a fortnightly visit.

And she may have told the staff that she was going away for a few days and taking the baby with her, or that her mother was going to look after the baby, which was what she told her friends. There may have been no reason for the staff to be concerned if they believed she'd taken the baby with her.

@Xdecd

There is a backstory, from what I know from the various local reports, she is a care leaver who was living in supported accommodation. There are numerous other instances of her leaving the child at home alone. More will come out in the Serious Case Review but my impression is the child shouldn't have been in her care, and there was also a massive failure in monitoring on the part of the "supported" accommodation.

Absolutely agree. This child should never have been in get care. Failures from a ‘mother’ and every agency involved. Appalling that she will only serve 9 years or less.

The mother clearly needed support and the baby needed protection.
You don’t need support to know that you don’t leave a twenty-month old while you party for six days.

Children, having children, and broken social fabric. Modern Britain.

@BlackSwan

JustLyra you're deluded. Though reading between the lines I'm guessing you have more direct experience of the criminal justice system than I do. That would make sense.

I agree with the poster above who suggested forced sterilisations for child killers.

Yes, as the of neglectful and abusive parents I probably do. Thankfully it’s relatively rare that people have the background I do.

The only deluded people are the ones that think reading a couple of reportings mean they know better than the judge in the case.

Thankfully the difference between murder and manslaughter is a legally defined thing. Not based on how outraged people will be or the age of the victim.

It seems the statutory agencies have learned little since Victoria Climbie.

As for the girl having a back story, who cares. Lots of young adults have had adverse childhood experiences and they don’t murder their children. She’ll be out in less than three years, dropping more children, which hopefully will be immediately removed from her.

*as the child of neglectful and abusive parents

@SirGawain

The mother clearly needed support and the baby needed protection. You don’t need support to know that you don’t leave a twenty-month old while you party for six days.

A person's mind isn't always clear.

I don’t necessarily see that forced sterilisation solves anything.

She wouldn’t be permitted to keep any future child regardless.

There is much less protection or real (funded) concern for abused children than most people feel comfortable admitting.

There are reports that she was a victim of grooming, which is why she went into supported accommodation. Explains the lack of a father for those asking.

@StrawberryPuff

There is much less protection or real (funded) concern for abused children than most people feel comfortable admitting.

It also suits many people to write things off as “they were evil, nothing could have been done” as it absolves everyone else of anything they could, and in some cases should, have done.

A person's mind isn't always clear.

Wow. Yes I guess not if they're stoned or drunk.
Or perhaps they're just devoid of humanity and have no regard for human life: not just anyone's life, but their own child's.
Stop making excuses.

Such a sad case. But the fact she was in supported accomodation - the baby should have been kept an eye on. Sadly, it doesn't suprise me. In my experience very little 'support' happens in supported accomodation while the landlord rakes the money in.

This is the third case of child abuse and murder I’ve read this week (not including the teenager who was murdered by her 19 year old brother in a caravan park).

Can I please encourage you all to write to your local MP and the Minister for Children & Families (Vicky Ford) in order to highlight our disgust in these recent cases, that currently on average the rate of children being murdered is one per week (as per the NSPCC, 2020) and that demand for social services has increased recently but the funding has been severely reduced.

We cannot let this keep happening. Something has to be done.

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According to one report on the day she returned home

• so obviously knew her daughter was dead she tried to sell tickets to a club in London for that night on her Twitter account

She was also posting on her Twitter account a few months after her daughters death asking people to vote for her to become a PLT model I don’t think she will have a pleasant time in prison from other inmates and it’s what she deserves There is no excuse for what she did other than her daughter obviously got in the way of her busy six day birthday celebrations I hope she is sterilised and never allowed to have a child again - some crimes can’t be forgiven or forgotten

I wonder what she told the friends she was partying with about where she had left her child? Unless they were people who didn't know her well enough to know she was a mum.

If you want high quality, effective, timely safeguarding you have to fund it

Absolutely. But for 4 elections in a row, the majority of voters have supported the party of cuts, instead of the party that is prepared to invest in quality services.

I’d love to see how much was paid to house them without safeguarding

Probably more than you think; my DS used to live in supported housing, and while the market rent for a 1 bed flat round here is about £450 pcm they were billing £975 to Housing Benefit

Apparently there's a loophole - isn't there always? - whereby the landlords can claim that they need to provide "extra services" to the disabled, though this particular one did nothing at all, not even keeping the place structurally safe.
Needless to say they weren't best pleased when I bought him a little place myself and they lost all that lovely money ...

@rc22 the BBC website says she told them that the baby was being cared for by her Mum.

I can’t believe people are making excuses for this piece of shit. An adult woman chose to actively neglect and starve her baby to death. She is no better than any man who beats, abused or kills a baby. She knew she was inflicting harm upon her child by failing to take care of its basic needs but was too preoccupied with partying and how many likes to could get on Insta enough to care.

No excuses, she is scum.

@ExpressDelivery

My friend fosters teens. Every now and again she gets a young (but of age) mum and her baby. It's the baby that's technically being fostered but mum stays with her too. This is what should have happened for this care leaver.

Absolutely this.

A mother who is little more than a child herself, raised in 'care'. I grieve for them both.

Social services are to busy with familys that don't need them. Or only Need a small amount of support. So the children that are at heigh risk get forgotten about and sometimes end up abused or dead . It's OK though because Social services has managed to that other mum to stop putting odd socks on her child and buy brown bread instead of white.

There is no backstory, only excuses by those who are always looking to exercise their so called compassion for the criminals rather than the victim. If you leave your child to starve to go party, you are waste of oxygen and with nothing to anyone.