Nine years for starving a baby to death

[PropertyFlipper]

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

Me too. So many people making excuses for a child killer Not sure if you're being sarcastic or missing the point.

I presume as a teacher you have done extensive training about this @motherrunner

It isn’t as simple as ‘I was brought up on a sink estate (horrid phrase) and I don’t do these things so no one should.’

There are a myriad of factors that come into this, including position in the family, intellect, good looks (yes really) support, talent, friendships and so on.

Poor, poor wee thing. How does this KEEP happening? What the fuck are Social Services doing?

This wouldn't be the comments if a father, troubled teenager or not, did this to a baby. No, the comments then would be "He should get life." "He was likely abusing the mother too." "Being a troubled teenager is no excuse for this."

Really? If we were dealing with a single father - there’s a reason why that phrase sounds so odd, it’s not used because it doesn’t happen often enough - who had been left in sole care of a baby from 16, even with state “support”, feeding it and changing its nappies and clothes etc etc? After having been raped even once himself? I don’t think so. I’m not seeing anyone on this thread who isn’t horrified. It’s why we’re talking about it.

If you support women, you support other lives too. Fail women and you fail other lives. It should be better known.

It’s always “we must learn from this…” FFS.

Surely the poor little girl would have cried. Did no one hear her?

In one of the articles it said 1/4 of social worker posts were vacant. How the hell can social workers do their jobs if there’s so many vacancies?

Maybe they're vacant because the public demand their pound of flesh from them when some individual lets their baby die. Maybe it was the mother's selfishness, maybe it was the mother's parents' cruelty and abuse which damaged the mother.
The mother has rights - she has the right to go partying, you can't stop her. Maybe her own childhood was abusive, maybe the father groomed the mother, maybe she is a drug addict.
People have the right to have babies, you can't guarantee that they'll care for them.
I wish people would grow up and stop the condemning of people doing an impossible job and accept that when we don't lock up unmarried pregnant teens like 50 years ago tragedies will occur despite the best attempts of SS. It's estimated 62 children die a year due to neglect or abuse that's more than one a week.

What a horrible awful case all round. I don’t think her she had much to do with it though - I had two children on my 18th birthday. I put them both to bed that night and celebrated by buying a dominos takeaway with my birthday money and watching films. People who are selfish/mentally incapable of parenthood are generally just like that. It’s a shame she wasn’t supported more adequately or the outcome here could have been the removal of this poor child.

Her age I mean, not her she.

@lavenderandwisteria

I presume as a teacher you have done extensive training about this *@motherrunner*

It isn’t as simple as ‘I was brought up on a sink estate (horrid phrase) and I don’t do these things so no one should.’

There are a myriad of factors that come into this, including position in the family, intellect, good looks (yes really) support, talent, friendships and so on.

Yes I have but the point I’m making is that I also had that upbringing. I won’t go into details about my childhood because it’s private but despite the life I was born into I knew what could harm or hurt.

Awful crime and my heart goes out to that poor child who must have suffered an horrendous death. Nine years isn't enough for such an horrendous crime.

No one has said that bad childhoods automatically lead to these dreadful outcomes.

It’s complex and multi layered and desperately, desperately sad.

It also suits many people to write things off as “they were evil, nothing could have been done” as it absolves everyone else of anything they could, and in some cases should, have done.

People have their human rights.
She has human rights. She can have as many children as she wants unless she is mentally ill and can be sectioned then some things could be decided for her as being in her best interests.
I really don't think fairy godmothers exist to magic up happy endings - sadly.

Only crying because she got found out. Had probably hoped her baby was like a Baby Annabel, it would be there alive when she got home.

What really gets to me about this is that she doesn't have any known LD to explain why should would do this. She's just a selfish individual. Can't begin to imagine what her child went through crying out for comfort and food from her mum🙁

I simply can't get my head around the thought process around making a decision to neglect the little girl? In what world did she think it was ok? Nothing to eat, nothing to drink, not having her nappy changed... she'd have been walking too, god knows the dangers!

I definitely think there must be something amiss with this young woman, not that it's any excuse. I wonder how she will emerge from the prison system...

It's a horrendous case.

UndertheCedartree I'm sorry about what's being done around your DBF, but not at all surprised - and maybe it's worth remembering this sort of thing when tragedies like Asiah's happen and folk say "It's because there's no funding"

I think sometimes this obsession with trying to keep neglected and abused children with their parents is all wrong. The welfare of the child should be paramount.

They could be allowed to have contact with the children, certainly, but consistent, reliable and safe caregiving is too essential for children's welfare to muck around with.

@lavenderandwisteria

No one has said that bad childhoods automatically lead to these dreadful outcomes.

It’s complex and multi layered and desperately, desperately sad.

Yep, exactly this. By the bucket load

An awful situation all round. Both cases in the news today are heartbreaking. Asiah and Kaylee-Jayde

@Kanaloa

What a horrible awful case all round. I don’t think her she had much to do with it though - I had two children on my 18th birthday. I put them both to bed that night and celebrated by buying a dominos takeaway with my birthday money and watching films. People who are selfish/mentally incapable of parenthood are generally just like that. It’s a shame she wasn’t supported more adequately or the outcome here could have been the removal of this poor child.

Agree my neighbour is a young mum on benefits i think she was 17 when her oldest was hes about five and she has a little girl of about two, shes still with the father and tbh hes a bit of a knob, but the kids are well cared for, i think the fathers mum has them at weekends to give her a break but they are not being left alone and neglected.

@Generalpost

Social services are to busy with familys that don't need them. Or only Need a small amount of support. So the children that are at heigh risk get forgotten about and sometimes end up abused or dead . It's OK though because Social services has managed to that other mum to stop putting odd socks on her child and buy brown bread instead of white.

Bullshit, with respect.

If she was on a child protection plan at birth she would have had a social worker. By the time she died she no longer had a child protection plan or a social worker. Please don't spread misinformation that somehow a child could have a child protection plan for 20 months and not have an allocated social worker. That would have been impossible.

@PropertyFlipper

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating. Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

She'll be out and free to have more babies to murder no doubt being kept by we tax payers.

Sorry, that post above was meant to quote @MarianneUnfaithful The baby was put in the child protection register at birth… but by the time she died 20 months later still did not have a social worker assigned to her.

@HeraInTheHereAndNow

Poor, poor wee thing. How does this KEEP happening? What the fuck are Social Services doing?

Because parents keep killing their children. You realise that for every child who is killed, countless more are not, because social services intervened?