Page 31 | Nine years for starving a baby to death

PropertyFlipper · 2021-08-06T14:07:27+00:00

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating. Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 21:44

No, that’s not the case. No excuses are being made. At all

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 21:53

@bluewanda

'Verphy Kudi misled staff into believing Asiah was with her whilst she was away celebrating her 18th birthday. Tragically, neither our staff, nor other residents, heard anything to alert them to the fact that Asiah had been left in the flat alone and this continues to impact them deeply.

Statement from the housing place where little Asiah was left to die.

This is horrific. So that girl just accepted that mummy disappears, that's what happens. She was so traumatised already that she didn't cry for help because she knew nobody would come, nobody cared. Children that age suffer separation anxiety and scream if you leave the room to go to the loo. I can't imagine what she thought as she lay there dehydrated and in the agony of starvation, knowing her mummy wasn't going to come back. The details of this case have really got to me, the callous disregard for not just any child (bad enough) but your own beautiful little daughter. She must have died thinking the world was completely devoid of love, never having known what it was. I'm sorry but to do this to another human being you have to be a monster. To your own child, I don't even have a word for it.

beenbotheringme · 07/08/2021 21:53

Hope she rots. No sympathy for her at all. Poor baby.

VanGoSunflowers · 07/08/2021 21:57

I'm sorry but to do this to another human being you have to be a monster. To your own child, I don't even have a word for it

Totally agree. It is utterly heart wrenching. I can’t fathom it.

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 21:57

Six days to her, in pain and frightened, must have seemed like months. It seems like millenia to your next birthday as a happy child, or a trip the following week. Let alone terrified and alone, nappy full of poo and horrible painful nappy rash, starving, in pain, so thirsty. The extent to which she must have been traumatised already not to cry or scream in this situation says it all. It's just devastating. I don't know how her "mother" can bear to still be alive.

bluewanda · 07/08/2021 21:59

Couldn’t agree more @PolkadotClouds. This and the Kaylee-Jayde case are both completely heart-breaking.

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 22:00

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

bluewanda · 07/08/2021 22:02

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

I’d imagine it’s because someone who is capable of inflicting that level of cruelty on their child doesn’t deserve to be or be called mother.

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:03

@EspressoDoubleShot

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

Because nobody who treats their child in that way deserves that title and all of the connotations of warmth and safety and loving and nurturing that the term involves. I'd use the same inverter commas if I was referring to the woman who gave birth to me, for the same reason.

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:03

@bluewanda

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

I’d imagine it’s because someone who is capable of inflicting that level of cruelty on their child doesn’t deserve to be or be called mother.

Exactly. Thank you.

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:04

@EspressoDoubleShot

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

It's also bizarre to me that out of that post, that was your key point of concern.

MichelleScarn · 07/08/2021 22:07

@EspressoDoubleShot

Why is mother in inverted comments? Presumably for dramatic emphasis

That your take from this horrific situation? That? Really? I don't think there's any dramatic effect used. The death of Asiah due to her mother is dramatic enough.

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 22:08

How as a society we manage and treat dysfunction & criminality is key
Lock up and detain is a restriction of liberty and that’s a fundamental role of prison but I’d Also hope there is rehabilitation and intervention to address the mum behaviours. She will be a young woman when released, there are opportunities to attempt some rehabilitation

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 22:12

My take? Try reading my posts
It’s an absolute tragedy that an infant suffered a painful avoidable death

VanGoSunflowers · 07/08/2021 22:14

@EspressoDoubleShot

How as a society we manage and treat dysfunction & criminality is key Lock up and detain is a restriction of liberty and that’s a fundamental role of prison but I’d Also hope there is rehabilitation and intervention to address the mum behaviours. She will be a young woman when released, there are opportunities to attempt some rehabilitation

I would honestly usually agree with you but I just cannot fathom how she could possibly be rehabilitated? Surely she is beyond that point as she was capable of doing what she did? She is a broken human.

But therein lies the problem. She will be released at some point so rehabilitation has to be at least attempted - not for her sake (fuck her, she can rot in hell) but for the sake of any member of the public, especially a child, that is unfortunate to ever come in to contact with her.

And, for the most unfathomable situation, as we can’t forcibly sterilise this monster - if she was ever to have another child (god I fucking hope not) I hope to god the poor soul gets taken away at birth.

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:17

@EspressoDoubleShot

How as a society we manage and treat dysfunction & criminality is key Lock up and detain is a restriction of liberty and that’s a fundamental role of prison but I’d Also hope there is rehabilitation and intervention to address the mum behaviours. She will be a young woman when released, there are opportunities to attempt some rehabilitation

I'm sorry but this is highly unlikely. If somebody has reached the stage, for whatever reason, where they have so little regard for human life that they would inflict terror and an extremely painful death on their own defenseless toddler, then they are not capable of rehabilitation, any more than other callous killers who have total disregard for human life, kill their families etc, are capable of suddenly becoming normal members of society.

Whatever the reasons she is like this, she is like this. As I've said several times on this thread, I am all in favour of additional support and early intervention for struggling parents. But this is so extreme, I cannot see how anybody sane could decide it would be in the public interest (the risks when appropriately balanced against her needs) to release her again into society. It's utter madness.

But, just like she convinced the social workers to give poor little Asiah back to her, she will doubtless convince a clueless parole board to let her go. Lessons are not learned.

MichelleScarn · 07/08/2021 22:17

@EspressoDoubleShot

My take? Try reading my posts It’s an absolute tragedy that an infant suffered a painful avoidable death

And who's saying it isn't? Im not understanding your point in the post re the use of "mother" . Why the need to mention it?

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 22:20

You get how threads work? We all “mention” stuff. Kind of like an exchange of views
You asked my take. I’ve told you

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:21

@EspressoDoubleShot

You get how threads work? We all “mention” stuff. Kind of like an exchange of views You asked my take. I’ve told you

Out of a heartfelt post about the trauma of a little girl who died in agony it was odd - to say the least - that some inverted commas around a noun were the only part you felt the urge to comment on.

EspressoDoubleShot · 07/08/2021 22:24

Same response to you too, read my multiple other posts

PolkadotClouds · 07/08/2021 22:25

@EspressoDoubleShot

Same response to you too, read my multiple other posts

Who is this directed at? If me then I apologise but I don't understand what you mean.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 07/08/2021 22:28

I would honestly usually agree with you but I just cannot fathom how she could possibly be rehabilitated? Surely she is beyond that point as she was capable of doing what she did? She is a broken human#

You can't actually rehabilitate someone until they have transgressed. The events themselves are a fundamental part of the mechanics of the rehabilitation. In simple terms, it's down to the people responsible for her to ensure that she 'learns from this'. Whether they will be successful, even partially, is up in the air, but it can and does work in some cases.

But therein lies the problem. She will be released at some point so rehabilitation has to be at least attempted - not for her sake (fuck her, she can rot in hell) but for the sake of any member of the public, especially a child, that is unfortunate to ever come in to contact with her

Yes, which is why things like new identity schemes exist, so that successfully rehabilitated people who are infamous because of their pasts are, hopefully, less likely to encounter vigilante idiots and people so blinded by their own vindictive fury that they believe themselves entitled to act outwith the law.

And, for the most unfathomable situation, as we can’t forcibly sterilise this monster - if she was ever to have another child (god I fucking hope not) I hope to god the poor soul gets taken away at birth

There's not a hope in hell of any future children being permitted to remain with her from birth. 3 days in maternity usually, under heavy supervision, as that benefits the child, and then they are removed.

I've seen a real life case of something similar whereby a young woman killed her child due to negligence. It was emphatically not a murder, but the mother was an addict, and her own stupor led to the death of the infant. She had another child many years later, removed from her shortly after birth, but obviously there is a degree of contact on an ongoing basis. Several years later the mother is completely clean, responsible, fully cognisant and accepting of her own role in her first child's death, but she's changed so much that she's of no real concern to SS any longer and the second child is thriving in her care.

I totally understand the anger and the fury, but to insist people can not be rehabilitated is entirely incorrect. We're just crap at it.

VanGoSunflowers · 07/08/2021 22:31

I can believe in rehabilitation for people who have ‘snapped’ in a moment of extreme irrational anger. As horrific as it is, perhaps there is some form of extreme anger management and therapy which means they can unlearn such behaviours.
And remember, I don’t necessarily believe in rehabilitation for the sake of the convicted, but for the sake of society and people they will come in to contact with. It’s totally necessary.

But for this monster…. It’s just not the same. It was so cold and callous. She is missing the fundamental characteristics of being a human being. How do you possibly fix that??

Panickingpavlova · 07/08/2021 22:32

Being an addict whilst awful is different to knowingly and actively harming your child like the cases that have just cropped up recently

The case where the mum was sending texts to her bf about how she harmed the child...

Very different to someone in the grip of herion where all sense and reason is totally lost.
These were premeditated, calculated acts of violence

It's not worth the risk of ever allowing them near dc again.

Goldbar · 07/08/2021 22:32

We expect a lot of mothers. We expect more of mothers than any other group in society. We put them on a pedestal - "mother" means security, love, warmth and self-sacrifice. Although thankfully few mothers fail as completely as Asiah's mother, this expectation blinds us to the fact that many mothers are unable to meet these expectations and are far and away not the best people to meet their children's needs. Becoming a mother doesn't automatically make someone into a reliable, caring, stable individual and we let children down when we assume this will be the case.