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Nine years for starving a baby to death

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PropertyFlipper · 06/08/2021 15:07

I’m struggling to see the justice here. This sorry specimen will be out in five years no doubt. Devastating.
Teen mother, 19, bursts into tears as she is jailed for nine years

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wselesda · 07/08/2021 11:12

This is a tragic case and the mother undoubtedly needs to be punished. However, I suspect the abuse she had been experiencing from 14 was continuing.

I wonder if the serious case review will show she was being trafficked and abused rather than out "partying" when her daughter died, and that this has been reflected in her sentence

ParistoLondon · 07/08/2021 11:15

What I don't understand is, say she genuinely didn't realise leaving her toddler by herself for six days would result in the little girls death (I don't believe this but let's play devil's advocate here), why didn't she immediately call an ambulance, alert the support workers on site etc when she got home and realised what had happened? Instead, she spent 2 hours faffing about the place, going on social media, even emptying the bins before calling an ambulance claiming she gave the child Calpol and milk which she didn't do.... It's honestly disturbing

HarrisMcCoo · 07/08/2021 11:17

@ParistoLondon

What I don't understand is, say she genuinely didn't realise leaving her toddler by herself for six days would result in the little girls death (I don't believe this but let's play devil's advocate here), why didn't she immediately call an ambulance, alert the support workers on site etc when she got home and realised what had happened? Instead, she spent 2 hours faffing about the place, going on social media, even emptying the bins before calling an ambulance claiming she gave the child Calpol and milk which she didn't do.... It's honestly disturbing
Yes, it's callous.
the80sweregreat · 07/08/2021 11:22

Nobody is suggesting this child should have been removed at birth ( as may have happened many many years ago) but after leaving her alone for a significant period of time previously and she had been taken into care , then placed back with her mum for a 'second chance' for her to do this again does make people question how it can be allowed to happen?
I'm sure the enquiry may find out what went wrong , but it still makes me wonder how it got to this stage.
Who makes these decisions?

It's all questions that need to be addressed I suppose. I'm just glad we have cctv and other ways of proving where people are : she couldn't claim to have returned home at any stage either. She was 150 miles away . Everything we do or where we go is tracked.
She couldn't lie her way out of this one when it's clear she did leave her for six days on her own. It is callous what she did once she did go home too, hardly the actions of someone who didn't know what they were doing in the first place ?

Theluggage15 · 07/08/2021 11:29

She WAS out partying when the child died! There is plenty of evidence, why on earth would a serious case review be more detailed than a trial? Stop excusing what this individual did. She was trying to get a modelling job not long after her child’s death ffs.

Pandoraslastchance · 07/08/2021 11:29

@Blossomtoes

Of course she should have asked for help and for all we know she did. Just because you tell social care you need help doesn't mean you get it.

I’ve heard of women walking into social services offices, putting their children down and walking away. She could have done that if she couldn’t cope. She didn’t. She went off on a birthday celebration fest and left a child alone for several days. She could have even done that and rung the police or social services as she walked out of the door. She didn’t.

It’s utterly beyond me how anyone could sympathise with her.

Money. Child tax credit, child benefit/universal credit may have influenced the decision for her to keep the child. Plus she doesn't have to work as she as a little one.

Maybe that's s terribly cynical way of looking at it but at least with the child caps abusive parents only get 2 kids to abuse and neglect rather than 5,6 or more as before.

Poor little girl. She must have been so scared.

ExpressDelivery · 07/08/2021 11:33

@Theluggage15

She WAS out partying when the child died! There is plenty of evidence, why on earth would a serious case review be more detailed than a trial? Stop excusing what this individual did. She was trying to get a modelling job not long after her child’s death ffs.
We don't know that at all. She may have been at a party, but she could have been there as an exploited sex slave (or she could have been there entirely of her own free will). I wonder who was paying for all this travel and partying...
Kanaloa · 07/08/2021 11:36

Can exploited sex slaves not use the phone at the donut shack/club night where they got a birthday shoutout/place where they had dinner in London to call the police and explain they have left a 20 month old baby alone in a flat in a different city? Honestly I understand that she might have been groomed/had a hard time etc but she could have given her child up if she wanted to. She could have walked away from that flat and phoned the police to inform them she was doing so. She chose not to as she thought she’d just leave her baby like a tamagotchi and feed it when she got back in a week. I wouldn’t make excuses for someone who did this to their dog.

ParistoLondon · 07/08/2021 11:39

@ExpressDelivery She did, though.

December 5, 2019: Kudi leaves Asiah alone in the Brighton flat to head to London. She meets her boyfriend for dinner in Fulham and tells pals her mum is looking after the baby.

December 6: She eats at Donut Shack with friends in Putney, South West London.

December 7: Kudi attends a Juiced 90s concert in Elephant and Castle with a pal.

December 9: The mum travels to Coventry with her boyfriend and others to help celebrate a friend’s birthday.

December 10: Kudi heads back to London and stays overnight at a friend's flat.

December 11: She catches a train back to Brighton and pops into M&S before heading back to Asiah at the flat.

ExpressDelivery · 07/08/2021 11:39

@Kanaloa

Can exploited sex slaves not use the phone at the donut shack/club night where they got a birthday shoutout/place where they had dinner in London to call the police and explain they have left a 20 month old baby alone in a flat in a different city? Honestly I understand that she might have been groomed/had a hard time etc but she could have given her child up if she wanted to. She could have walked away from that flat and phoned the police to inform them she was doing so. She chose not to as she thought she’d just leave her baby like a tamagotchi and feed it when she got back in a week. I wouldn’t make excuses for someone who did this to their dog.
I think you live in a whole other world. No, they're being controlled, that's the point.
Dongdingdong · 07/08/2021 11:39

But apparently not educated enough to understand the difference between excuses and explanations.

@Lockheart what? You don’t have any explanations, just hypothetical scenarios that don’t even add up when you look at her known movements.

I also haven’t seen you express one shred of sympathy on this thread for the poor little toddler and what she went through at the hands of her feckless parent. Just multiple attempts to minimise what this woman did (away for a “few” days - FFS).

Kanaloa · 07/08/2021 11:40

@ExpressDelivery

That’s what’s annoying me. I don’t live in another world. Ten years ago I WAS this young woman. If you’re telling me she couldn’t have said to the reception staff on the way out that her baby was alone, or told a member of staff at any of the places she went to while partying then I think it’s you who lives in another world.

ExpressDelivery · 07/08/2021 11:41

Anyway regardless of whether she was evil, misguided or exploited, a longer sentence wouldn't have changed anything for the baby or for future children like her.

It's alright to be braying for blood but what are you going to do to improve the situation?

the80sweregreat · 07/08/2021 11:42

The pictures of her out and about do not show someone being trafficked or whatever.
She even had a shout out done by a DJ at one club for her birthday , surely they would t have allowed this to happen if someone wanted her to have a low profile. People must realize that everything is tracked these days ?
Cctv everywhere in public places? She had her phone taken off her by the police as evidence : a trafficker would have deleted all this or supplied her with a different phone ? She could have nipped to the loo and phoned the police from there if she cared a jot about that poor child. She wasn't being held hostage.
It doesn't add up that she was doing any of this against her will to be honest ?

Kanaloa · 07/08/2021 11:42

Or, instead of telling her mates her mum had the baby she could have said ‘the baby’s just at home in the flat by herself.’ She didn’t need to do this and I think bending over backwards to find a reason that she couldn’t have helped it is doing anyone in her situation a disservice.

bluewanda · 07/08/2021 11:47

Anyway regardless of whether she was evil, misguided or exploited, a longer sentence wouldn't have changed anything for the baby or for future children like her.

I disagree. If she was locked up for life then she wouldn’t be able to have any more children to neglect. It’s too late for Asiah, but at least we could be sure that she wouldn’t be able to subject any more children to the dreadful abuse and cruelty that Asiah suffered.

enoughforme · 07/08/2021 11:47

@Porcupineintherough please read my post properly before you comment

enoughforme · 07/08/2021 11:49

@Porcupineintherough here's my post JUST for some clarity;

"I agree, but I actually honest believe she thought six days would not necessarily kill the baby (this doesn't make it any better - but I think had someone have told her the outcome before she did it, she may not have gone for quite so long) "

🙄

ExpressDelivery · 07/08/2021 11:49

@bluewanda

Anyway regardless of whether she was evil, misguided or exploited, a longer sentence wouldn't have changed anything for the baby or for future children like her.

I disagree. If she was locked up for life then she wouldn’t be able to have any more children to neglect. It’s too late for Asiah, but at least we could be sure that she wouldn’t be able to subject any more children to the dreadful abuse and cruelty that Asiah suffered.

Ok yes, I meant the next child of a different parent
bluewanda · 07/08/2021 11:49

I feel the same about the horrific mother and boyfriend who killed Kaylee. They should be put away for life, no second chances. Kaylee didn’t get a second chance so why should they?

abcdeg · 07/08/2021 11:52

@ExpressDelivery

Whatever you think of her (personally I think you need to walk in someone's shoes before you have a clue) the fact is that the prospect of a life sentence wouldn't have stopped it and won't stop the next one.

A serial killer might be ready to reoffend. Can't stop them, guess they should get off with 6 months then?

Lockheart · 07/08/2021 11:52

@Dongdingdong

But apparently not educated enough to understand the difference between excuses and explanations.

@Lockheart what? You don’t have any explanations, just hypothetical scenarios that don’t even add up when you look at her known movements.

I also haven’t seen you express one shred of sympathy on this thread for the poor little toddler and what she went through at the hands of her feckless parent. Just multiple attempts to minimise what this woman did (away for a “few” days - FFS).

Again, not so great with the reading comprehension.

I'm not suggesting that's what actually happened.

I'm trying to explain why someone might be convicted of manslaughter and not murder.

Panickingpavlova · 07/08/2021 11:52

A girl local to me was removed from her home by ss, along with all the other dc.
I'd don't know why but this is quite dramatic, and definitely no addiction involved.

That girl was arrested and sent to prison for drug dealing 400 miles away. The others arrested simply said they had no choice to drug deal because they were in the clutches of county lines gang and you do exactly what they say.
I'm struggling to understand his this girl is fully responsible for her actions when she was taken from her parents, classified as vulnerable, placed in care and then got to by country lines gang and became a slave really.

From what I've test it this girl she was abused and this baby seems to be the product of abuse.
She also said lived with her mother

An extremely badly treated young girl has a baby, where is the responsibility and love supposed to cone from. If she's not seen it moddled, doesn't understand it?
She's already left her daughter loads of times and once for two days?
Why was no one keeping an eye on the cctv?
She's known to go out and leave her child wasn't anyone able to simply watch the monitor?
Why was her dc allowed back when she's left her for two days?

Was no baby sitting service made available after she left her the first time?
The bond wasn't there, the care simply wasn't present.
She was a massive risk surely? But surley one that could be mitigated by putting a baby sitting service in, monitoring her movements.
Why wasn't her mum helping at this point?
All very murky and unclear.

DancingQueen85 · 07/08/2021 11:52

So by the time she is 30 she will be out of jail and able to rebuild her life. Absolutely no justice here for her daughter. No doubt she will go on to have more children. I can only hope that they will be taken away from her at birth

bluewanda · 07/08/2021 11:55

I’m assuming she didn’t even leave any milk or food on the floor for the little girl to access, as I haven’t read that anywhere. I mean even if she did, it would still be a fucking horrendous crime, but it would at least have shown that she didn’t intend for her daughter to starve to death.