AIBU to be surprised that Laurel Hubbard didn't register a lift in the Olympics?

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I wonder if all the controversy around Laurel's participation led to her losing her nerve?

I'm trying to think of a similar thing happening to anyone else at the Olympics.

Bryonyshcmyony Sergey Bubka a Russian Pole Vaulter setter of world records and winner of an Olympic Gold failed at his first three attempts at the Barcelona Olympics and was eliminated from the competition. However, that was more down to arrogance than anything else, instead of recording a vault at a relatively 'easy' height he waited and when he finally decided to vault with the bar at 5.7m he failed. He'd cleared 6.10m the year before the Barcelona Olympics, he won his gold medal in Seoul clearing 5.90m.

@RedDogsBeg

I'm trying to think of a similar thing happening to anyone else at the Olympics.

Bryonyshcmyony Sergey Bubka a Russian Pole Vaulter setter of world records and winner of an Olympic Gold failed at his first three attempts at the Barcelona Olympics and was eliminated from the competition. However, that was more down to arrogance than anything else, instead of recording a vault at a relatively 'easy' height he waited and when he finally decided to vault with the bar at 5.7m he failed. He'd cleared 6.10m the year before the Barcelona Olympics, he won his gold medal in Seoul clearing 5.90m.

Another difference is that Sergey Bubka wasn't smirking when he failed.

@RedDogsBeg

I'm trying to think of a similar thing happening to anyone else at the Olympics.

Bryonyshcmyony Sergey Bubka a Russian Pole Vaulter setter of world records and winner of an Olympic Gold failed at his first three attempts at the Barcelona Olympics and was eliminated from the competition. However, that was more down to arrogance than anything else, instead of recording a vault at a relatively 'easy' height he waited and when he finally decided to vault with the bar at 5.7m he failed. He'd cleared 6.10m the year before the Barcelona Olympics, he won his gold medal in Seoul clearing 5.90m.

Thank you! Great info. Presumably he was upset about it. Did Hubbard go in at a too heavy weight, could they have lifted less?

How many female weightlifters have qualified for their first Olympics, age 43 with a history of significant injury?

Bryonyshcmyony

Weightlifters nominate the weight that they want to lift.

From 1min 40secs explains it

@FrippEnos

Bryonyshcmyony

Weightlifters nominate the weight that they want to lift.

From 1min 40secs explains it

Thanks much appreciated

[quote Kittii]@hyperbole001 would you like to provide the balanced view and explain in a non-tautological way why men who say they feel a woman should be allowed to compete in women's categories while retaining men's physical advantages? We're all ears.[/quote]
Surprise, surprise, the opportunity to explain the opposing view is ignored.

Presumably he was upset about it. He was, very.

Another difference is that Sergey Bubka wasn't smirking when he failed.

No he wasn't.

He realised his mistake and was visibly downcast.

I'm not sure what transwomen have to be proud about tbh. I mean at least be good enough to join in!

Maybe she just identified as a weightlifter? 😏

The end game of this will be that in a few years young girls will no longer be inspired by female role models, they will just be made to feel physically inferior watching men, men win everything.
Girls already do not do as much sport as men, now there’s a gaping hole left open for men mediocre men to walk right in and take the glittering prizes of female competitive sport.

In a way it was worse what actually happened that if she had trounced everyone! It just takes the piss out of the whole thing, it was all about just being there amongst 'the other girls, it clearly didn't matter to her how crap she performed.

And people whining' she can't win whatever she does, wahwahwah, whatever she does people will criticise, it's so unfair on her'

Damn fucking right people will criticize, whatever she does, she is in the wrong category. She is a cheat just being there.

Cannot believe anyone would defend this.

I think that the last two words in this interview clip says everything.

But it is of course open to interpretation.

www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/weightlifting-winners-refuse-to-answer-question-over-laurel-hubbard/vi-AAMR7e0

[quote FrippEnos]I think that the last two words in this interview clip says everything.

But it is of course open to interpretation.

www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/weightlifting-winners-refuse-to-answer-question-over-laurel-hubbard/vi-AAMR7e0[/quote]
!!

[quote FrippEnos]I think that the last two words in this interview clip says everything.

But it is of course open to interpretation.

www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/weightlifting-winners-refuse-to-answer-question-over-laurel-hubbard/vi-AAMR7e0[/quote]
rather telling isn't it?

[quote FrippEnos]I think that the last two words in this interview clip says everything.

But it is of course open to interpretation.

www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/weightlifting-winners-refuse-to-answer-question-over-laurel-hubbard/vi-AAMR7e0[/quote]
Oh wow!

Yes it is open to interpretation, but the fact that these women don't want to say anything at all on this, presumably because they are terrified to say the wrong thing either way, is quite sad really. These women just want to compete in their sport in their category and its been overshadowed by a male who has no right to be there.

Damn fucking right people will criticize, whatever she does, she is in the wrong category. She is a cheat just being there.

Cannot believe anyone would defend this.

I am waiting for hyperbole and mockolate to answer whether they support Hubbard's inclusion in the female category or whether they cannot be honest and answer (despite seeking to reprimand women for speaking out.)

Jackgrealishscurtains

That is my take on it as well.

I think there would be very little value in watching sports where no world records have been beaten for decades yet the athletes were still being pushed to win a medal in a competition we’d seen hundreds of times before.

The football team I support has little to no chance of winning the Premier League any time soon...wonder why I keep supporting them regardless?

I’ve said this a few times now but there’s a theory that we should reduce the number of players per team in football because now the players are such elite athletes that the game is broken as they all fight for the ball, and we’d see more skill (and therefore a more interesting game) if there were fewer players on the pitch.

You clearly don't watch football or have any understanding of how it's played...

Nothing you've said so far makes any sense whatsoever - you argue that there is some kind of unquantifiable pinnacle of each sport that nobody will be able to surpass and your answer to that is to open up the categories which, as many PPs have explained in detail, would actually just result in mediocre men dominating each category (which kind of defeats the object, no?) - you haven't referenced any sources for these apparent theories (or explained why they're nothing more than 'theories'). Add to that you don't even seem sure how elite international sport works. I can only conclude that there must be some other reason you keep posting this nonsense...

All these mad pub theories 🤣🤣

Third time of asking, anyone prepared to answer my question?

" *@hyperbole001*would you like to provide the balanced view and explain in a non-tautological way why men who say they feel like a woman should be allowed to compete in women's categories while retaining men's physical advantages? We're all ears."

Seems that no one has any arguments to support this.

I'm still laughing at the idea that we shouldn't separate men from women, but we should look into differentiating by oxygen intake or lung capacity. And should stop a sport once its record has been determined to be unbeatable. By people who think we shouldn't segregate by sex but by oxygen intake.

The only sport the, er, Pumper seems to know anything about is mental gymnastics.

As a supporter since I was 11 of a team which sculls about narrowly avoiding the drop to the conference league, I totally agree with winderlust that pumper has no idea about football or football supporters. No longer a season ticket holder but still make it to matches when I can.

Hubbard threw the lifts in my opinion and should feel ashamed. The smirk said it all really.

The only sport the, er, Pumper seems to know anything about is mental gymnastics

🤣

I now suspect that the 'long running debate' does not involve many (or in fact ANY) well respected sport scientists that have actually done the level of in-depth research of the differences between males and females needed to address these issues. It may well have been 'pub theories' after all.

I went looking for myself since pumper was reluctant to post any links. The first couple I found stated Semenya was female. So.... not really reliable experts then. They then declared that female sports people were being 'banned' due to not looking feminine enough. Obviously another reference to those with DSDs.

I suspect that right now, the majority of female competitors would actually welcome the 'humiliating sex testing' procedures mentioned in one article I was reading, if it meant guaranteed fair competition.

The suggestions of category were similarly ill informed and again neglected to address adequately the advantages males have. And, even though pumper disagrees, the menstrual issues faced by females that male never have had to deal with that causes a range of disadvantages.