To ask how you withdraw completely from society?

[DancingwithDaffodils]

I don’t want to be part of our society. I don’t like anything about it. I want to completely withdraw, does anyone know how to do that?

@LemonRoses

Join the Poor Claire’s and lead a life of contemplation?

I used to live close to a convent of Poor Clares and despite only leaving the convent to vote or attend hospital or dental appointments, they were pretty clued-in and well-informed — part of their order’s mission is to pray for the world, so they tend to keep up with current events via newspapers. Plus of course they live in a small community, so they are stuck with a close-up view of one another’s foibles in perpetuity.

Not really sure how you can achieve this.

You can't just live in the woods. So do you have the funds to buy somewhere , but you would be down as the owner.

Are you willing to live on only what you can grow and how much crop/animal husbandry experience do you have?

What's the plan for health care?

I am not a huge fan of people. But there's a difference between being an introvert and wanting to wipe all knowledge of my existence away.

I hear you OP. I am not a fan of human society either, and feel like the net is closing in, or we are in a matrix with no way out. The state knows everything about you, and in a few years' time I expect the hand microchips they have in Sweden will become the norm here too. But unless you're survival-ready, please read this before you start deleting records:

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/03/they-said-i-dont-exist-but-i-am-here-one-womans-battle-to-prove-she-isnt-dead

Then watch some off-gridder and hermit vids on YouTube and see if you like the lifestyle.

Otherwise you could start by being an urban hermit and just have an online life? People are much easier to deal with when they aren't in your face all day.

I'd also recommend getting rid of the tv, if you haven't already. Then you have control over the media you ingest. It has done wonders for my MH, not having to watch endless Covid stats and people telling lies and being vile to each other all day.

I wouldn't try to withdraw completely. It's too difficult, and other people can be convenient when things go wrong in your life.

But certainly you can delete your social media accounts, cut down on time spent with other people (at least temporarily), and engage in more solitary pursuits that you think might bring you joy and a sense of meaning.

Demilunary True, our local convent recently released an album. None have individual digital footprints though and no special friendships allowed. It’s silence most of the day, except when attending services, during recreation and if reading to the community during meals.

Wouldn’t be for me, but it’s meant to be a very peaceful way of life.

Join the Amish community?

The state knows everything about you, and in a few years' time I expect the hand microchips they have in Sweden will become the norm here too

I thought very few had this done and its popularity is in decline.

@LemonRoses

Demilunary True, our local convent recently released an album. None have individual digital footprints though and no special friendships allowed. It’s silence most of the day, except when attending services, during recreation and if reading to the community during meals.

Wouldn’t be for me, but it’s meant to be a very peaceful way of life.

No, you wouldn’t expect any devices! And yes, you’re in silence most of the time, but you’re seldom far from your sisters for very long, so it certainly isn’t a withdrawal from all forms of social living — I think when you only see the same few people, they can loom very large.

I briefly considered entering the Poor Clares, and I had a student friend who entered a Carmelite convent after her law degree in he early 1990s and is still there.

@Angelofchaos

The state knows everything about you, and in a few years' time I expect the hand microchips they have in Sweden will become the norm here too

I thought very few had this done and its popularity is in decline.

Yes, it was a fad a few years ago and is most certainly not any kind of standard practice in Sweden. IMO it's a variation on other kinds of body modification like tattoos, piercings, branding, inert implants. A niche pastime.

1. Remove yourself from mailing lists, quit social media, stop answering emails and texts.

2. Buy only neccesities. If going out irritates you, order online.

Number two breaks the rules for number 1

Online shopping requires a bank account, membership to a supermarket and an email address.

hand microchips they have in Sweden

Bugger...I live in sweden. Did they get me in my sleep? Do the microchips give you selective amnesia? I can't for the life of me remember getting this hand microchip.

Only joking...no microchips in hands here. They are taking an eternity to do the covid vaccinations. They haven't got in them to organise hand microchips even if they wanted to.

@AssassinatedBeauty thank you. I thought so. I had to look it up last year as exh had told the kids we would all be implanted like Sweden.

I thought that was the gist.

@TheSunShinesBrighter

1. Remove yourself from mailing lists, quit social media, stop answering emails and texts.

2. Buy only neccesities. If going out irritates you, order online.

Number two breaks the rules for number 1

Online shopping requires a bank account, membership to a supermarket and an email address.

Obvs tailor to suit needs. Ordering online doesn't involve spam. Sorry that was beyond your comprehension.

Ignore me taking the piss. Here is a link about the Swedish microchipping: www.lifesitenews.com/news/mark-of-the-beast-thousands-of-swedes-become-microchipped

News to me and DH.

Pretty
Apology accepted.

I guess the only true way of withdrawing is to may be live in the woods which doesn’t have much appeal. I’m thinking now maybe a hermit existence is a reasonable way forward.

I don’t use social media, that’s just completely intolerable for me, email accounts I’m not sure how valid they are for tracing people- I mean anyone can set up a gmail account without any real information can’t they? I no longer have a bank account and utilities are in a different name. Maybe it’s anonymity I need more? Not sure really I feel a bit confused

@Angelofchaos

The state knows everything about you, and in a few years' time I expect the hand microchips they have in Sweden will become the norm here too

I thought very few had this done and its popularity is in decline.

www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/technology/innovation/technology-under-your-skin/

6,000 estimated.

Well, the technology's here to stay and tech tends to upgrade and progress very fast. Five years ago, if you'd been told we would be living as we are now, would you have believed the person who told you?

@DancingwithDaffodils

I guess the only true way of withdrawing is to may be live in the woods which doesn’t have much appeal. I’m thinking now maybe a hermit existence is a reasonable way forward.

I don’t use social media, that’s just completely intolerable for me, email accounts I’m not sure how valid they are for tracing people- I mean anyone can set up a gmail account without any real information can’t they? I no longer have a bank account and utilities are in a different name. Maybe it’s anonymity I need more? Not sure really I feel a bit confused

Just try it, bit by bit.

I've removed myself from all superfluous mailing lists, deleted twats from my contacts book, and only go to things I want to. Next I'm buying land and building a "smart energy" house which means v low reliance on utility companies. I intend to stay in touch with people and organisations I value but no-one else.

This lady kind of did it, although now she’s older she has turned a bit of her land into a sort of commune. If you you tube it Ben fogle went to visit her.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/tv/oxford-graduate-who-grew-up-19897194.amp

It is of course possible. Good luck to you!

Number 1 - delete your Mumsnet account?

Well, the technology's here to stay and tech tends to upgrade and progress very fast. Five years ago, if you'd been told we would be living as we are now, would you have believed the person who told you?

Except the amount if people CHOOSING to have it is dropping. Significantly. Swedish people don't have them as the 'norm' it hasn't really spread to other counties as a trend. Despite starting in 2015ish.

So I am guessing it's not going to happen here.

And a pandemic isn't unheard of.

And to be fair, how we are living now isn't that restrictive for 17 months into a pandemic that was expected to last 2 years.

I do not understand why you are discussing this on MN - surely this is the last thing you would want to do.

Op, mn is a form of social media.

I love the idea of disappearing into the middle of nowhere where i'd live a self sufficient life at one with nature. I'm uncertain however whether the reality of such a life would match the dream.
You would be best dipping your toe in the water first so to speak. Maybe stay in a remote location for a while and see how you feel?
Critically examining what has brought you to this decision i think would be very important. Do you want to run away from something/someone or is this a decision you have progressed to naturally as something you have always desired? If you feel disillusioned with society in general due to continuous let downs, trouble or trauma then isolating yourself could lead to feelings of resentment at having been 'pushed out' as such.
Why do you not want to be recorded as ever having existed?
I think before you make your decision op there are lots of questions you need to ask yourself. Your own honesty in relation to your answers will tell you if this is the right thing for you or not.
Good luck

@DancingwithDaffodils

I guess the only true way of withdrawing is to may be live in the woods which doesn’t have much appeal. I’m thinking now maybe a hermit existence is a reasonable way forward.

I don’t use social media, that’s just completely intolerable for me, email accounts I’m not sure how valid they are for tracing people- I mean anyone can set up a gmail account without any real information can’t they? I no longer have a bank account and utilities are in a different name. Maybe it’s anonymity I need more? Not sure really I feel a bit confused

Is there someone under your patio - what are you running from?

How do you survive without a bank account?