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To loathe organised sport and what it does to children?

396 replies

AssemblySquare · 24/07/2021 23:29

There is a back story to this but it’s long and boring. I’m just sick and tired of sport being held up as this wonderful thing that brings people together, but all I have ever seen and experienced is divisiveness, bullying and meanness. I’m so done with it all, especially at grass roots level and at school where most kids seem to get shouted at by PE teachers and coaches taking out their own frustrations that they weren’t quite good enough to make it.

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Bryonyshcmyony · 25/07/2021 00:04

It was normal to get player of the match in dds football team?

Hdhdjejdj · 25/07/2021 00:04

Totally agree. I have dc who have played a lot of sport to a fairly high level. We have been quite lucky with some coaches but others have been utterly toxic. The problem is that lack of funding means that parents take coaching roles and in some cases they use that to showcase their dc. I don’t think my dc have played for a single team where a coach’s dc hasn’t been captain. There is a notion that sport is always a force for good, but that simply isn’t true. It’s riddled with abuse and bullying, sadly.

Bryonyshcmyony · 25/07/2021 00:05

@Hdhdjejdj

Totally agree. I have dc who have played a lot of sport to a fairly high level. We have been quite lucky with some coaches but others have been utterly toxic. The problem is that lack of funding means that parents take coaching roles and in some cases they use that to showcase their dc. I don’t think my dc have played for a single team where a coach’s dc hasn’t been captain. There is a notion that sport is always a force for good, but that simply isn’t true. It’s riddled with abuse and bullying, sadly.
If the parents are volunteering so your kids can still play then good on them.
CrazyNeighbour · 25/07/2021 00:06

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entropynow · 25/07/2021 00:07

@Whoarethewho

We have a massive obesity crisis caused by lack of exercise and poor eating. We need massively more sport not less.
There is much, much more to exercise and good diet than organised sports. I manage both on walking, by myself or in a small group, not organised beyond "who's got the map?" Organised sport used to make me unhappy, stressed and unwilling to join in. And I got fat.
Bryonyshcmyony · 25/07/2021 00:08

Are you suggesting that young teens should go walking by themselves instead of team sports? Pretty miserable for them!

WorraLiberty · 25/07/2021 00:10

YABU

You mean some children.

For many other children it's been an absolute Godsend.

nocoolnamesleft · 25/07/2021 00:12

YANBU. School sport made me consider killing myself. And put me off physical activity for life.

WeAllHaveWings · 25/07/2021 00:12

Grass roots sport in theory is great. Until your team are good enough to win league medals, and new players start wanting to join and try out, and you are good but suddenly just not good enough (or your parents aren't friends with the coach) and after 8 years get dropped from the team, your friendship group are busy with football and a huge chuck of your social life just suddenly ends. Usually in your early teen years.

One boy(13) noone has seen since he was dropped, he refused school, wouldn't come out with them even though they kept asking for months, dh bumped into his dad and he said he just never left the house or talked to anyone anymore, they had him at drs and he was on antidepressants and they just didn't know what to do with him.

When it happened to ds we quickly got him involved in other things and he formed new friendships, but the early weeks were tough.

I would warn anyone whose dc were interested in footie to think carefully and ensure they have plenty of friends and other interests outside it, easier said than done when they train twice a week, matches on a Saturday and just want to kick a ball and be together in between.

WorraLiberty · 25/07/2021 00:13

Organised sport used to make me unhappy, stressed and unwilling to join in. And I got fat.

You didn't get fat just because you didn't do organised sport, otherwise all babies, most toddlers, most of the elderly and probably most people in the world would be fat.

Hdhdjejdj · 25/07/2021 00:14

@Bryonyshcmyony That illustrates my point to be honest. In my experience the worst coaches are the pushy parents who spot an opportunity to progress their own dc. Children would be safer not playing sport than being coached by those types of people.

entropynow · 25/07/2021 00:14

@Bryonyshcmyony

No, I am not suggesting that, which you would know had you bothered to read my comment in context. Team sports and exercise are not synonymous. Any clearer?

Not everyone needs to do everything in a group though. Team sports are fucking miserable for a lot of kids FYI. If you are unable to understand that there's not much to say to you.

BogRollBOGOF · 25/07/2021 00:16

I loathed PE at school but kept active through dance, then swimming and kept it up into adulthood.

Having had such an awful time in PE, I've got my DCs into a range of sports young so they can at least be vaguely competent. A wise choice as one turns out to be dyspraxic. I've considered range of skills rather than competitive environments and we've never had issues with bullying or meaness.

Sport is physically good for them.and a safe, low risk way to learn a lot of life lessons where failing doesn't matter.

There can be toxic environments, but there are many organisations that are better run, and many sports that don't tend to breed that culture.

JaniceBattersby · 25/07/2021 00:18

I played team sports until I had my kids and all my kids now play a mix of football, cricket and racquet sports with very differing abilities and to wildly different standards.

I’ve found absolutely nothing like team sports to encourage so many really good attributes in my kids. It helps keep them healthy for one, but even at a young age, the confidence boost of winning a game (even if it’s bottom of the league versus second bottom of the league) or scoring a goal or a six is unlike anything else. It also helps them learn that you really need to stick at something and work really hard to get good at something and you still might not be the best but you will improve.

And if team sports are not for them then there’s always running or cycling or skateboarding or just bounding a basketball around in the garden.

My nine year old plays for his B team at cricket and they beat the local rivals on Wednesday by two runs after a really big team effort and I’ve never seen a bunch of kids so bloody happy.

If coaches are bullying then move teams but I’ve honestly never come across it in junior sport with four kids in lots of different disciplines so I’m not sure if it’s an unluckily bad experience you’ve had?

GiveUsACoffee · 25/07/2021 00:19

I'm not sporty, and always hated participating in it at school. However, I did see the value in it for others, so I strongly encouraged my children to participate in competitive sport. Both are happy and reaping the benefit of it--friendship, teamwork, camaraderie, fitness, and the rest.

Restlessinthenorth · 25/07/2021 00:20

Both my son and daughter play football. Both have experience significant highs of winning trophies, competitions, player of season, and the lows of being dropped, subbed, missing a penalty, scoring an own goal, and everything in between . All offer really important learning opportunities for life, and resilience building.

More importantly, they know what it is to be part of a team, to work hard for things they want even when they don't come easy, the value of practice, not giving up, rallying from a set back, and supporting their mates to do the same. Their lives are so much richer for being involved in grassroots sport, and for my daughter in particular, the atmosphere is much healthier than the hormone filled school friendships groups often are.

entropynow · 25/07/2021 00:20

@WorraLiberty

Organised sport used to make me unhappy, stressed and unwilling to join in. And I got fat.

You didn't get fat just because you didn't do organised sport, otherwise all babies, most toddlers, most of the elderly and probably most people in the world would be fat.

But organised sport didn't do anything for my weight, which is what the poster I replied to was implying it should have done, if it's so essential in the fight against obesity.

Fact is, for some kids, organised team sport is not the panacea that some posters here are insisting it is. Kids vary, imagine that.

Hdhdjejdj · 25/07/2021 00:22

This is really interesting and thought-provoking and pretty much sums up how I also feel about children’s sport.

edition.cnn.com/2018/01/26/sport/amaechi-on-usa-gymnastics-michigan-state-scandal/index.html?sr=fbCNN012918amaechi-on-usa-gymnastics-michigan-state-scandal0337PMStory

CrazyNeighbour · 25/07/2021 00:24

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Divebar2021 · 25/07/2021 00:25

I think they’re great actually and I don’t have a particularly sporty child. Not every child Is academic but May well excel at sports and I don’t see why that element of school should be downplayed because some kids aren’t sporty. There’s a great deal to learn from competing in something as part of a team and/ or when you are not great at it. It doesn’t mean it have to be a horrendous experience. The horror stories I’ve heard have been around parents who’ve got too over invested in their children’s sports teams and have created horrible tensions and arguments. One colleague who coached his daughters under 9 football team got shouted at because he played all his players in matches ( ie everyone got a turn whether they were good or not) and that incensed some parents. My friend also became embroiled in real arguments and kerfuffles over her sons football team when he was 10/11 - over who should or should not have got man of the match etc. I really found it weird… I mean really come on. In the States a friend has also had abuse over coaching Little League.. so none of this is sports fault it’s our fault because we participate in that shit and we send the wrong message about what’s important.

Bryonyshcmyony · 25/07/2021 00:25

@WeAllHaveWings

Grass roots sport in theory is great. Until your team are good enough to win league medals, and new players start wanting to join and try out, and you are good but suddenly just not good enough (or your parents aren't friends with the coach) and after 8 years get dropped from the team, your friendship group are busy with football and a huge chuck of your social life just suddenly ends. Usually in your early teen years.

One boy(13) noone has seen since he was dropped, he refused school, wouldn't come out with them even though they kept asking for months, dh bumped into his dad and he said he just never left the house or talked to anyone anymore, they had him at drs and he was on antidepressants and they just didn't know what to do with him.

When it happened to ds we quickly got him involved in other things and he formed new friendships, but the early weeks were tough.

I would warn anyone whose dc were interested in footie to think carefully and ensure they have plenty of friends and other interests outside it, easier said than done when they train twice a week, matches on a Saturday and just want to kick a ball and be together in between.

Goodness that's an extreme reaction Presumably other football teams were available?
memberofthewedding · 25/07/2021 00:27

I was an academic kid and loathed sport in school. In particular I hated the way the sports teacher used to designate two team "captains" and then allow them to pick their teams in turn. I was one of the kids always left standing at the end. This just showed poor people skills on the part of the sports teacher.

On sports day I used to get my name on the register and then sneak off home (my mother worked during the day). No one ever seemed to miss me or if they did it was never mentioned.

MangoSeason · 25/07/2021 00:47

My 3 children are not sporty. They are not the type of kids to be outside kicking balls around or riding bikes. Left to their own devices, they would be couch potatoes.

Organised sport is the best thing that has happened to them.

DS1- like so many kids described here would get anxious and nervous before games. He is not a strong player on his team. He has done football for 4 years. Why am I doing this to him then? Why haven’t I let him quit when he doesn’t really love it? Well, he has learnt that doing difficult things he doesn’t like doesn’t necessarily result in something bad happening. He will never love football, but it is at the point where he has accepted it is a chore he does and he gets on with it. He has overcome the fear in the pit of his stomach and that is worth its weight in gold. The best life skill I could have given him. At school on Monday, he has stuff to talk about. His natural skills are public speaking and comedy theatre. He regales his classmates with detailed stories of the games and they great moves his teammates made. His teammates in his class love him for it. They get to boast without having to say anything! During his sister’s games, he gathers up all the toddlers and preschoolers and runs an unofficial football clinic at the sidelines. He loves it. He will never love football. He will always get nervous before games, although he can control that now. I accept I will only get one more season out of him. But it has just been the best thing for his confidence, fitness and character.

DD1- an uncoordinated ball of joy who is on her 3rd year of football. To our surprise, she has become a reasonably competent player. Last year she got her first goal. If only I could have got a photo of her face and framed it. She is on an all boy team and will soon be out skilled. But of all my kids, she is the one who might continue on into her teens. I will try and move her to an all girls team next season. I think she will blossom. She loves the game and the social aspects.

DD2- hopeless player. Skips around the field like a gazelle and has the best time. Fresh air, exercise and fun. Her teammate, who belongs to a family that arrived on a refugee intake program from Bhutan, kicked his first goal! The joy on the field and the sidelines was amazing.

Obviously a bad coach or a ridiculously competitive club can result in different experiences. In Australia, scores aren’t officially kept till Under 12s so it doesn’t seem to be a big pressure sport. Of course the kids keep score but it stops a lot of the rot from parents.

It’s not just the games though. It’s the party invitations, making friends from other schools that you would never meet otherwise. It’s the end of season BBQs in the park with the creek that my kids love and talk about all year. It’s being part of something. Saturday mornings are taken up with football. It sucks as a parent. But when my kids get home Saturday afternoon, I can let me jump on the iPads without guilt. They have played a game and spent their sibling’s games running around practicing. They train for an hour Thursday afternoons and there is another afternoon of exercise that I can tick off.

Lots of posters will vehemently disagree with me. I just wanted to make the point that organised sport can have amazing benefits for the non-sporty, anxious kids too.

nocoolnamesleft · 25/07/2021 00:50

So you want it to be prohibited fir all children?

No. I want it not to be compulsory torture.

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 25/07/2021 00:51

Dd does competitive gymnastics (at quite a low level) and it’s been fantastic for her. Some gyms she has been to have been very toxic though.