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To loathe organised sport and what it does to children?

396 replies

AssemblySquare · 24/07/2021 23:29

There is a back story to this but it’s long and boring. I’m just sick and tired of sport being held up as this wonderful thing that brings people together, but all I have ever seen and experienced is divisiveness, bullying and meanness. I’m so done with it all, especially at grass roots level and at school where most kids seem to get shouted at by PE teachers and coaches taking out their own frustrations that they weren’t quite good enough to make it.

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Kazzyhoward · 26/07/2021 10:31

@XelaM

My daughter rides horses- it kept her sane throughout lockdown and is the thing that gets her off her ipad/phone and into the fresh air. A bit silly to say sports is a bad thing
No one has said sport is a bad thing. What people ARE saying is that the way it's taught (or not taught) at school which is the problem, most notably the bullying aspect which turns people off exercise/fitness rather than encourages them.
Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 10:36

No one has said sport is a bad thing
🙄

Read the thread title maybe?

Qwerty789 · 26/07/2021 10:37

No one has said sport is a bad thing. What people ARE saying is that the way it's taught (or not taught) at school which is the problem, most notably the bullying aspect which turns people off exercise/fitness rather than encourages them

You appear to have missed the actual point of the thread. And indeed the title.

jacks11 · 26/07/2021 10:49

@AssemblySquare

The back story is my DS who is 13 and a latecomer to football. It’s vile. He joined a coaching session rather than a team and it crushed his confidence. He got bullied and the coach refused to address it because my son lacked experience!!!! Joined a local team described as “friendly and supportive” and it really isn’t. We have spent the last few years driving all over the place to watch him be handed the sub’s vest every time. I watch his face fall and his confidence ebb away a little bit more. It’s awful and I’m done with it.
The issue here is not team sports, per se, but the fact that the coach would not address the bullying, his reasons for doing so were totally unacceptable. The fact that your son never got to start shoes that he is either not a very good coach or not very interested in his players improvement/development/confidence. In other words, he is not good at what he does.

Though I would ask why you didn’t move clubs sooner? Why keep taking him somewhere that he was being bullied? Why not find a team more suited to him/with a nicer coach. Or perhaps a different sport?

The problem here is not organise sport. The problem is a poorly run team. And the fact you kept taking him when the coach would not address the bullying your son was experiencing.

I am not sporty and hated PE, but I do know there were other children who enjoyed it and others who were not academic but were able to do well at sports and that is how they boosted their confidence. I agree letting children pick teams is not always the best idea. At my DC’s school they play competitive sports but everyone is in a team (1st, 2nd, 3rd) and the teachers focus on skills and participation. They all know who is going to be on the 1st team and who isn’t, but as DD says- they all know who is going to do musical things or get the best academic marks, so there’s no real difference. She wouldn’t be in 1st teams very often, though does love a different (non-school) sport and does so at a high level.

I don’t agree PE should be optional. Some DC are not good at languages, or science, or maths. They may be embarrassed by not getting good marks/not able to answer questions or bottom of the class in tests. I don’t think it is a positive thing to make anything a child/teen finds difficult optional.

The answer in the case of PE is for schools to teach it well- my DC have learned about health and fitness, how muscles work and can be injured, how to stretch properly to prevent harm, as well as the actual sports. In PE game sessions it is about developing skills in that sport, whatever your level. They play competitively against other schools and I’ve only ever seen one (parent) shouting at a child- they were asked to leave the pitch-side.

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 10:52

Though I would ask why you didn’t move clubs sooner? Why keep taking him somewhere that he was being bullied? Why not find a team more suited to him/with a nicer coach. Or perhaps a different sport?

This. Totally bizarre you'd watch this happening for "years".

sailmeaway · 26/07/2021 10:55

Sounds like you've had a bad experience and condemned all sport!

Both my my kids play a team sport - football for the girl, cricket for the boy, they also play tennis and swim. We've had nothing but a positive experience for both of them, they're healthy, active, and have made friends with kids they may not have otherwise. The coaches have all been brilliant and playing has done wonders for their confidence.
Neither are particularly great but still get tons out of the experience.

Wearywithteens · 26/07/2021 11:00

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Kazzyhoward · 26/07/2021 11:06

@Wearywithteens

“Sounds like you've had a bad experience and condemned all sport!“

Sounds like you’ve had a good experience and you’re dismissing a lot of people’s real concerns.

Exactly. This thread is full of people with bad experiences, so perhaps that says something about the way sport is taught!
Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:07

The majority of bad experiences are from years ago.

Some of them are quite frankly bizarre like the parents watching their son be "bullied" for "years"

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:09

Also Mumsnet traditionally hates PE

It's the only teacher bashing allowed, and indeed encouraged on here.

randomsabreuse · 26/07/2021 11:12
  1. Football culture in the UK is toxic.
  1. Too many children are shielded from "failure" and competitive sport should (with a decent culture and sensibly trained coaches) be a safe place to learn to lose, to find things difficult and persevere.
  1. That said young children shouldn't be focussing on particular sports too early - there are too many 'championships' for U10s in most UK sports. I'm not against competition for U10s but creating a "national championship" for U10s creates a motivation for short term gains...
taliopolis · 26/07/2021 11:16

Are there really people on this thread saying that PE should be optional? That's ridiculous. My eldest on only just about to go to secondary, but I can see at primary at least they have introduced things like dance into PE so as to make it more inclusive.
I also don't agree with those saying that kids don't get kudos for being good at maths etc. My DS is acutely aware that he is not as academically smart as some of his friends. Sport is where he can shine and build up his self esteem.
I too don't understand why the OP let her son experience it for "years" before removing him. Attending that football team was not mandatory like school PE, he could have stopped at any time.

SweatyBetty20 · 26/07/2021 11:17

I think everyone has a sport - they just don't get the chance to do it sometimes. I went through school convinced I was crap at sport, because all we did was netball and rounders, and I have really poor hand/eye co-ordination and can't catch, throw, or hit a ball. Maybe try out some different sports - anything from archery, orienteering, athletics, track cycling, MTBing, judo, tae kwondo etc?

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:17

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the OP's attitude probably didn't help her ds get on with the coach, or her ds generally

Iknowthiswillendbutwhen · 26/07/2021 11:28

@DrCoconut

I think there is no comparison between team sports and academic subjects as those who aren't good at say maths aren't made to feel like they are letting everyone down. They don't have to stand in the assembly hall in front of the whole school and parents and answer algebra questions while people jeer and laugh as they get it wrong. There is no team picking aka popularity contest based on grades. There is no adulation and hero status and trophy for the kid who aces GCSE maths. I could go on. It's just not comparable.
I disagree. There is huge emphasis and pressure to be academically successful nowadays. (And incidentally there are a multitude of maths competitions happening in schools ATM.)

With today's emphasis on exam results, teachers are encouraged to push the brightest and best to bump up the school's average marks, and they don't always have the time or resources to spend time nurturing the weakest. A child who struggles academically faces a thousand humiliations in today's learning environments.

With manual jobs and trades disappearing and everything switching to tech, huge emphasis is placed on literary and numeracy. It's very hard if you don't shine at either of those, and sport can be a vital alternative route to self confidence and success.

oldwhyno · 26/07/2021 11:33

YABU

countrypunk · 26/07/2021 11:36

I found sport at school humiliating because I was shit at it and the PE teachers weren't interested in helping the shit kids like me improve. And there was a toxic culture of bullying at my school. I really wish that hadn't been my experience because I think if you play and enjoy a sport as a child you're far likelier to carry that love of activity into adulthood with you. And of course it's brilliant for growing bodies. Muscle memory and all that. PE should absolutely be part of education - a very important part - but like so many things, we need to radically rethink how we make it accessible and enjoyable for all. Above all else, it should be fun!

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:39

PE should absolutely be part of education - a very important part - but like so many things, we need to radically rethink how we make it accessible and enjoyable for all. Above all else, it should be fun!

Believe me so much research has /is going on to try to come up with ways to do this given limited budgets/space/large class sizes

3luckystars · 26/07/2021 11:41

I still can’t run in public after the humiliation of sports in school. It stayed with me.

In Ireland we have an Irish sport called GAA. My friend has all her children in this, she brings them all weathers and at least 1 of her children were bullied beyond belief and she still kept bringing them. I just don’t know why, it’s like a cult (not the GAA but the way she acts about it, it’s like she is obsessed with it and everything it symbolises) I don’t know why she is persisting it is a total mystery to me. She even tried to convince my son to join but he hated it, she kept calling to house so that she could ‘include’ him, but the club nearest us is mainly run by dads that have no experience and because my son was tall, she really wanted him. I nearly had to join the witness relocation programme to get out of it.

What strikes me as the problem is that it is very hard to change teams, especially when you are from an area.

I’m happy that my children have each found something they like to do and love going every week and there is no pressure on them at all. Only one is a team sport. Every child is so different.

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:43

Academic success isn't rewarded?

No, other than by getting into a great university and having hugely more earning power in the future 🤔

Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 11:46

I live very rurally and there are off the top of my head 10 football teams taking u16s atm

Kazzyhoward · 26/07/2021 14:20

@Bryonyshcmyony

PE should absolutely be part of education - a very important part - but like so many things, we need to radically rethink how we make it accessible and enjoyable for all. Above all else, it should be fun!

Believe me so much research has /is going on to try to come up with ways to do this given limited budgets/space/large class sizes

They've been researching and consulting about it for decades.

The old adage is true "the more things change, the more they stay the same".

Kazzyhoward · 26/07/2021 14:21

@Bryonyshcmyony

Academic success isn't rewarded?

No, other than by getting into a great university and having hugely more earning power in the future 🤔

Yes, but none of that happens in your school years does it? It happens once you've left school and have been long forgotten.
Terhou · 26/07/2021 14:26

@Bryonyshcmyony

PE should absolutely be part of education - a very important part - but like so many things, we need to radically rethink how we make it accessible and enjoyable for all. Above all else, it should be fun!

Believe me so much research has /is going on to try to come up with ways to do this given limited budgets/space/large class sizes

Is it really that difficult? When I was at school there was one year when one of my classmates couldn't do games due to a back injury, but could go for walks. They set up for a rota under which people who were never going to qualify for school or house teams accompanied her on walks during PE and games sessions. We were all delighted to do it, and got much better exercise than we ever got in games (because games sessions for the duffers were hopelessly badly organised). I would have been delighted to carry on going for walks, and indeed to do things like non-competitive exercise sessions. I wouldn't have thought much research is needed to set up more of that sort of thing for non-sporty types.
Bryonyshcmyony · 26/07/2021 14:36

Noone needs to be taught how to go for a walk 🙄

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